[ozan]

matthew, i dont know if hockney is right or not. i havent seen the doc or read his book. but i thought i would point out to you that the weirdo at arc seems to think hockney is wrong. http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2004/Hockney/yoder1.asp
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[P-Rik]

I had no idea about what this one will done... here is the result.
Just keep going...


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[Naeem]

beautiful job done p-rik

Mitsui- i like the concept!

[ax--hv]

Freebooter>thanks!

watmough> great
spooge, Mikko, Capt. Fred, Mitsui, Freebooter, P-Rik> really cool stuff
Matthew>forgot to say - your sketches were great!

[StylesDavis]

...uh-huh... read the artrenewal-article about david hockney, it's quite fun!
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[Odds]

lol! clever one spyroteknik

[ax--hv]

spyroteknik> :D

[watmough]

your values are always so nice,ax--hv.and,thank you!
also,i like how you controlled all those colors in that last one.
matthew,i have no doubt vermeer used the camera obscura,was a bit of a revelation for me,too.rembrandt,though...hmmm....
you know what ,though? he was a working artist. made his living on genre paintings,not unlike illustration today,so you cant blame a guy for making a living.
its hard for me to judge,i do art as a hobby.not to pay my bills,so its different.
however.....starting about 8 months ago...(just after i started painting for real)
i resolved to not use photo reference ever again,based on degas advice to pose the model upstairs and work downstairs.and though it was very hard(practically impossible at first) i have made improvements i didnt think i could. i take my sketches and rework them and rework them,and in the end i learn.
there are(were) great artists who did not take the easy way(not that i'm condemning it) like Manet,Monet,Hokusai,Homer,et al. so its not like you cant do it.just keep up doing what you think is right and you cant go wrong.

[octavian]

great close ups spooge. The shot of the lips and hands are just insane. Photorealistic but with that creepy surrealism that you can't have in real life. thanks for sharing. I also like reading your thoughts on art. B.T.W. I have a burning question for you and when I think of how to write it succinctly, I'll post it. Hope you won't mind answering.


Trying to understand value and form.... this is from ref (National Geographic). I changed the comp and pose of both characters a bit, so its a somewhat loose.

crits welcome!

[extraneous_element]

THUS SpOKE ZARATHUSTRA
--by NIETZSCHE

But i shall bring your secrets to light; therefore i laugh in your faces with my laghter of the heights. pg211

do not cease dancing, you lovely girls! No killjoy has come to you with evil eyes, no enemy of girls. pg219

And when I talked in confidence with my wild wisdom she said to me in anger... Then i almost answered wickedly and told the angry woman the truth; and there is no more wicked answer than telling one's wisdom the truth. pg220

what you have done to me is more evil than any murder of human beings... My playmates you took from me, the blessed spirits. pg223

enimeis

-"Why did you say that the poets lie too much?"
-"Wy?" sais Zarathustra. "You ask, why? I am not one of those whom one may ask about their why." pg238

Alas, i cast my net into their seas and wanted to catch good fish; but i always pulled up the head of some old god. pg240

[Misc]

Thanks capt.flush

ax--hv, P-Rik, nice work!

hmm

[Capt. Fred]

yeah , i have that hockney book.
When I read it I felt it was a petty solid argument.
However, after reading that stuff at art renewal, some of the less brain-dead and offensive arguments seemed to be valid. Those guys are little creepy though. Like some kind of cult or something.

I guess as with most things the truth is down some kind of middle path, not at the extremes.

[Reakshun]

[P-Rik]

thanks for the comments on the city.

ax--hv >> Great colour use... nice mood with "the three guys"!

Anatomical test study without ref....

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[Hawkswift]

blah - not entirely unsatisfied with the character, but it's more of what I've been doing, and I started late and tired... anyway:

[Naeem]

a more detailed version of my previous speedpaint . (still a speedpainting)

[DangerousLlama]

nice face ax

[Matthew]

Thanks for all the kind comments and also your thoughts regarding hockney, I still feel bad about this today. U know in the documentary they could prove what kind of lense and such that were used aswell because of depth of field in some paintings, but oh well I am gonna leave this subject alone now.

watmough, thnx for the thoughts there, yea u are improving for sure I really like your latest works, especially the wc stuff since it is really difficult to get along with and master watercolors. keep it up there.

ax--hv, thanks there, which sketches?

a quick gouache car test, added some quick background in photoshop.


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[Freebooter]

ax--hv that scene with three guys seems to have story behind it and not just 'three guys standing at some train station'

Unexcusable blasphemy

[spooge demon]

Watmough, yes that is exactly how he worked. And he also used driers to get the stuff to set up quickly. Bad for longevity if overused.

Fred, sunprincess? Who dat? Where? Wha?

As far as camera obscura and lucida, hmmm.

/RANT

You know there are universal limits to many phenomena, such as the speed of light in a vacuum, the number of coeds you can fit in a phone booth, etc. I had thought there was a limit just how stupid someone can be, but art renewal proved (once again) that there is no such limit. They want to call names and write like a 12-year old brown shirt, well I can too.

The fact that these tools were used has been known for a long long time. It is nothing new. I am surprised that this was new to Hockney. And why would anyone have a problem with it? Hockney does not because he is a thoughtful artist and realizes that the artists who created their incredible master works are not diminished in the slightest by the fact that they used these tools. Not the slightest.

And not all artists did, and not all the time, and to different degrees. Maybe different people were intelligently exploring the uses of technology to further their expressive range? Imagine!

To think it does is an insult, to think that the greater part of art is getting the dots in the "right" places. It is an insult to the great men that art renewal claims to revere. I really hope to explain myself better someday, but drawing is so much more than that. It is greater than eye hand coordination. You are not a camera! And use of a camera or drawing device will not hide the artist you are one little bit. In some ways it will show your shortcomings in even greater relief. Unless you know what you are doing, which the masters did.

If students use this type of thing too much, yes, it can be really damaging. But again, it depends entirely on what they are after. We don't all want to be MASTER DRAWER OF THE SEVEN UNIVErSES!!!

In the past I played with these things, I even owned one, and I got rid of it because they did not help me with what I am after. If they did, I would use them in a heartbeat. Only throw out a tool because you have thought through things and it does not further your work, not out of artistic machismo.

/end rant

and I have to post this cause it's all I got right now

[balistic]

you should paint more drive-in monsters craig. I like that one a bunch.

"Attack of the Hideous Atomic Art Snobs"

[ax--hv]

Spooge, unbelivable! One of the most impressive paintings of yours

(Sorry, no pic)

[scumworks]

DAAAGM SPOOGE!! Thats gotta be the coolest EVER . The color o.O the texture O.O the freaking beast 0.0 WOHA

[Swarm]

nice work spooge :)

[Gecko]

hey all.
this is something i've been up to between work and personal projects. trying to get a better hang of anatomy, and nail a routine to my head. Sometimes its sooo easy, sometimes i need a whole day's coffee breaks to get one together.

spooges pale nude girl and jr's sketch are my favorites from the last few pages. seemingly very little effort yet very pleasant to look at. me want too.








keep painting matthew.
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[Matthew]

Gecko, many thanks there gecko, I really like those latest from u.

think I am sometimes thinking too much about everything, I am a worrying soul. oh well here's a quick scribble, tried a different approach not really a good one.


see you

[Capt. Fred]

spooge - Sun princess, it's a pic you did a while ago. A portrait of one of your hotties, filename was sun princess. Cool evil doer!

Swarm, Gecko, groovy!

well� erm�
don't ask.

[faB]

spooge: wow! the texture and 'feel' of the skin is great!

[eyewoo]

Well said or written, spooge.
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