[Alan]

Hello people, here was an attempted painting in photoshop. I did it monochrome to study light and shade more... i'm pretty clueless. So rips away folks...



-Alan



[This message has been edited by Alan (edited August 18, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Alan (edited August 18, 2000).]

[Svanur]

The only thing that bothers me are the facial features, especially the nose. The face seems... misaligned (a problem I am always encountering ).

[Freddio]

geez she's ugly

Nice body good tones...

maby the neck seems too long..
the cheek bne seems a bit out..

[micke]

Her face looks like a three-dimensional picazzo, no offence..work more with the face.

-Micke

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[Tinusch]

Haha, been looking at Victoria's Secret catalogs have we?

[Kain Victus]

The face is what gets me... I think the part between the nose and the mouth is to harsh and makes it look like a dark line seperating them. I think you should lighten that area up. Also applies to your really dark spots. I think you should use color contrast rather then the black shadows. Also right under the jaw, the black line makes it so the head appears to be detached from the neck. Anyway, my two cents..

[nightmare]

im not an expert so u don't have to take me seriously. but i think something is wonky with her neck. it seems to be sitting funny, more to the side than in the middle. her neck is veeery long, or the clavicles are too low.

[Chapel]

Well I was going to draw lines on your pic, but I've been doing that a little too much lately. To figure out what is wrong the face draw a line through both eyes. Draw a line from the extreme point of both cheek bones. Draw a line through her mouth and if you want through both eyebrows. All of these lines should be leading to the same point. (perspective) They should pretty much look parallel.

Oh and her neck area.. looks like she is a skeleton and she has loose skin hanging between her joints. The arcs are too extreme.

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[Pigeon]

We can see the sun beyond her, but the light souce seems to be from the front and a little right. Incongruity. Just eliminate the sun or something.

The dark shadow on her (not our) left trapezius seems to dark for where the light is coming from.

The reflection of the sun on the water seems off. Maybe it's supposed to curve the other way, maybe it's supposed to be straght, but in any sense the water looks like a hill that's refelcting the sun. Again, eliminate the sun or something.

In fact, just don't try to make the background painterly or photographic at all. Just reduce it to design elements. i.e. dark rrectangle on bottom, graded rect on top, palm silhouette on horizon, black rects on right and left.

[samdragon]

good start! You might want to go back in and rework some of the darker areas. Your tones are too dark all over. It's like she has these black holes everwhere. (does that make sense?)
Her hip has some strange bone structure going on there. And the way you have the image croped is bugging the hell out of me. it's too cramped looking. If we could see more of the top area to help seperate her from the boarder it would be alot nicer.

Something that might help you out. Convert this image to grey scale. i bet it will very grey exept for the black areas. IF something that dark is on her body then there will probably be something just as white somwhere else.
remember, you're using digital, so why not just paint it in greyscale and then do a color overlay or adjust the hue. It's not cheating, it's called using your tools

Oh I guess you get the idea about the face?
One thing to remember, in this pose the nose will go past her left cheek. That left cheek (her left) is too light and we probably wouldn't see it all like that. that's why everyone is saying it's too flat.
Remember, if your drawing from a photo, don't try to make it look just like the photo, loosen up and add your own style to it. If not your style will start to tighten up. I know, I'm trying to break from that myself. You can still learn from photographs, but when your tring to duplicate them your not looking at the image as a whole, you're too tied up in the little areas. Try doing details of the image instead, like the face or mid section.

Other than that,I think you've got a nice image here. It needs somehelp in the tone and some small anatomy problems, but after that I will be a nice image..Oh yeah. Please get rid of that croped top..PLEASE.

[samdragon]

One more thing and I promise I'll stop..
when you look at this image, squint your eyes, what are the dark areas and what the light areas? Do they even out? Or are they too extreme? Does parts of her body disappear?
hmmm...

[Alan]

Well, i said destroy and you did Thanks for helping me work out the kinks.

As for the background, i was just trying to make it a facade, not like she's actually in water... i'd think she'd be drowning otherwise As for the shadows, i kinda like the harsh duotone blackness or whatever, but maybe i need to lighten up a bit... anyway, thanks again...

p.s. tinusch

-Alan