[shahar2k]

Religion is the opiate of the masses. I think those were Lenin's words.
and it (religion: the system of beliefs) is, it is what keeps people down, it's what keeps you under the controll, and lets you accept that you are not the greatest thing in the world, and while it does enforce your Identity, it reduces your individuality.

Faith on the other hand, (the belief in god) helps you deal with the world as it is thrown at you. It gives you a nice tidy little drawer to put all that stuff you don't understand into. "the world can't be milions of years old", must be god's work, everybody's wrong, and I'm right.

well LA DEE DA!
I don't lay my faith in god, and I don't structure my life after religion,
instead I lay my faith in logic and understanding, and structure my life after my own devised goals.

[Enayla]

Okay, I feel the need to say something here.

It's interesting to see you guys say that girls are, well, practically evil. Let me tell you a little story...

There was this boyfriend, who seemed to be a great guy. The relationship had been going on for six months. Then his girlfriend (yours truly) found out that not only was his "x-girlfriend" expecting his child... he was still living with her, and dating her.

Now... I don't think men in general are bastards, though I've had /quite/ a few try to step on me. There was this guy that told me I couldn't "keep" my male best friends because he was so jealous. This other guy who must've cheated on me a million times. And one guy who told everyone he knew about every little thing we did in bed.

Ha ha ha *dryly*

So, I could try to say that "men are such bastards, nag, nag, nag, whine, whine, whine." Let's face it though, it's not men, or women, in particular. It's people when faced with relationships of any kind - even if it's just flirting. A lot of people have a tendency to seriously screw things up. Going around whining about girls being so vicious is really rather... ah... pathetic. I'm sorry. That's just not very mature.

So some girls might flirt with you and not mean it. Do you seriously think that guys don't do the exact same thing? To start a thread on the purpose of telling stories about "why girls suck" is really not... nice.

The stories I could tell under a similar thread called "why men are bastards" would be pretty vicious. But I won't. There's enough of a rift between the genders without me trying to make it bigger :/

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[Count Zero]

No one _ever_ fucking listens to me...

And from personal experience I can say that men are generally bigger assholes than women.
This conversation can serve no purpose any more. Goodbye.

[Spitfire]

Girls arent mean.

Girls just are mean towards me.

Better that way?

[faustgfx]

us two, spit. us.



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[Spitfire]

I know.

Its fucking scary.

[faustgfx]

errrr. the us part came out pretty wrong.

(we have to admit it sooner or later man..)



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[Enayla]

Guys aren't bigger assholes than girls.

Two of my best friends are guys

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[Count Zero]

I'm a guy. Most of my friends are guys. That don't make me or them any less assholy.

[skyediver]

Plenty of my friends are guys, too. =) I'm not the girliest chick around and dudes are more likely to share my interests, really.

But, because I'm new, know Isric, and just scraped through most of these stories, I thought I'd like to add one. I like telling stories...

Last year this dude came up to me out of the blue and told me he'd seen my art at a friend's house. Said he loved to draw, and loved my stuff... and would I mind hanging out with him sometime? Funny thing was it was one of those RARE days when I didn't have to go straight home. We struck out for the local coffeeshop (now gone, -sigh-) with some other people. We were there all afternoon, looking at each other's sketchbooks. God, he was amazing with pencils, and was what pushed me to appreciate them. We talked and finished each other's sentences and stuff until about ten that night (yesh, I brought a -boy- home! -gasp-).

It was great, I'd always dreamed about having a guy/best friend that I could hang out with 24/7, and shared my same interests, y'know? And he was taller than me! Eeh. We were even making plans to start a band (he played bass, me guitar), because dammit, we had almost the exact same taste in music. Over the summer he got me hooked on the Deftones, Tool, Chevelle, System of a Down... I had a harder time converting him though, heh. Only succeeded with VAST (my personal jesus). =)

Problem was, we always made plans that never worked out. He had a job and worked a LOT, and then he'd get his paycheck and quit, the moron. Kept promising me he'd buy a bass, too (sold his old one), all the while bugging me to buy my electric guitar already. He'd blow me off all the time, and then the next day he'd call and say "I know you hate me..."(sigh) But was having a lot of family shit going on around that time and he was the only one I could talk to. Helped me blow off a lot of steam. We'd sit and draw toghther for long periods of time, too. Never had a friend I could do that with until him.

But, later that summer, he called me one day, told me he had something important to tell me, even waited for me to feed my puppy. Said he wanted to be my boyfriend. Get this, I was the "love affair of his life" (at seventeen, gimme a break. 'course he always talked like that). Well, the next day he called back, and had changed his mind.

School started and I saw him every so often, still thinking maybe a band could work. I never got the dating thing anyway, so I was fine with being friends. Isn't that more important? Told me he found a drummer at one point. I never met him. He continued to blow me off, only by this time he stopped apologizing for it.

Finally some sense knocked me over the head and I realized it was not worth me mulling over him all the time, no matter how hard I wanted to be in a band, have a guy friend who was taller than me, and talk about art and music with. I tried talking to him about it, though. At first I thought I got through to him that if something didn't change I was going to give up on him. When that didn't work I wrote him a letter. Told me to my face he "skimmed over the last part". S'where I drew the line. I just stopped trying. Felt like shit for a while, but I got over it.

Anyway in more recent times, he stopped being mad at me for cold-shouldering him, haha. Said he wanted to be friends again. I learned my lesson the first time, thanks. No regrets, because now I've got some wicked penciling skills. =)

That was long, neh? Told ya I liked telling stories...

[faustgfx]

in short, we're all equal losers in this joke called life and deserve nothing but a colombian necktie.



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[shahar2k]

if anyone's willing please disagree with me, but I think every problem comes from the two sides not knowing about/talking enough.
it's all comunitactions, and I don't think either grils or guys are worse/better just alien to the unexperienced.

[egerie]

Shahark2k that's EXACTLY what I was about to post. you just beat me to it
(btw, Opium of the masses = overly used quote from Karl Marx)

It can sound vain and directly quoted from some disaster books about 'healthy relationships' but yes I think communication is essential.
I'm crap at it, most of my friends are as well, but I try. Just a question of putting boundaries, making things clear from the start (which I make a point in doing so no misunderstanding occurs) and NO HISSY FITS.
I will never badmouth/etc someone because I'm pissed at them. Don't f*ck with me tho.

And as for the 17 y old love stories.. damn that made me smile Wait a few years and you'll see how that was simple back then !
Ahh.. nostalgia..

Sometimes it's hard to know what/who you want, but eventualy with experience you get to know yourself and your peers a bit better.

-ege
"You're in love with the idea of love. Not with me. You'll never change me."-ege

[This message has been edited by egerie (edited December 15, 2000).]

[BrunnenG]

Basically - if sex didn't feel good, this would be one dead species.

But we keep trying - if nothing else, we're persistent. Now serving number 23 - here's my heart...please use both hands

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[DirtyDigger]

OK so I read every damn word in this thread...lot of time on my hands eh?

Here goes my point of view (here's me in a nutshell - I'm 28, not ugly, not a god, a geek at heart that ended up somehow popular enough to be elected pres of my HS, I was a floater, meaning I could hang with the geeks, homeys, populars, punks, metalheads etc.. and be accepted by all groups)

My take on God is, believe what you want. Whatever you believe however gives you no right to not reach for your potential and believe that your God will make everything ok for you in the end. As far as wars over whose God is right? They are idiots, because almost every religion says 'do not judge others, worry about yourself'. So in reality you are sinning against your God by persecuting or judging others.

As far as women. For all you geeks out there... I was a nice guy all through high school and this approach did not work. I ended up loving the girls more than they loved me, I have also been in the other boat where the girl loves me more, which brings me to my conclusion on the interest of relationships.

Basically in any relationship one person is going to love the other more, it is almost always true. The one who loves more will always be the one hurt the most because the other is semi-insensitive to the level of love.

The other thing about relationships is if the person you have as your 'mate' or 'flame' is not entirely satisfied with how you look, talk, act, think, socialize or any number of things, they will at some points have doubts about you. For example a guy gets a girl, she is exactly what he wants as far as brains, personality, etc... but his problem is she'snot the best looking nd that actually makes him embarassed to take her out with his friends... this will eat at him and the relationship without the female even knowing.

It is human nature. It is the way it is. If you are a geeky guy who is nice and wants a woman, you are going to have to change. There's no other way around it. Take care of your physical appearance. Have her dress you and fix you up to her liking. If a girl loves everything about you and want to be friends, but disses you in the hallway it is because she is embarassed for her friends to see what appeals to her. It makes her feel self-conscious(sp?).

As for me...I loved too deeply once and still pay the price. I still think about my first love (who apparently did not love me like I loved her) This was when I was 15 and 13 years later I still dream about her. I used to ride my bike to her house in the freezing rain at 3AM and leave roses and letters on her doorstep so that when she went to school she would find them. We used to talk everyday after school for 4 hours a day for over 2 years (we did not go to the same school).

It's a hard thing. My guy friends have the same thing going on..they still have that love for their first (even some of them at 35).

So, Jenni if you are out there, I still love you

I am totally a different person now than I was then. I am more callus, more of an asshole, got burned enough times and have burned enough times to just accept that sometimes going for the love is not the way, but a mutual friendship and sharing is a better avenue than being a dumbass and exposing yourself without knowing what you will receive. Okay now whose going to publish this book I just wrote?



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[Transcendence]

Currently, I'm the ultimate male asshole and hypocrite. I somewhat shared my story earlier in this thread, but it has a new chapter. heh. I'm now a bestfriend "with benifits." She and I both had a talk that spanned over a couple of days and we both care for each other greatly and all of that stuff. Blah blah blah. She spent the night Friday, slept in my bed..some things happened. I'm highly against cheating due to past hurt because of it..and well, she has a boyfriend that she's been with for almost 2 years. I'm currently the lowest thing on earth.

If someone believes it's her fault - it isn't. I responded to it. We're both at fault.

[edit] I also want to apologize to him for it. REALLY apologize. He already dislikes from jealousy because we spend the night at the each other's house, hang out all the time, talk on the phone a lot, and I get to see her at school. He now has a true reason to hate me. I dont blame him either.

[This message has been edited by Transcendence (edited December 17, 2000).]

[faustgfx]

and you have the face to tell the whole world about it?



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[Transcendence]

I dont have the face to show because of it. I know I dont. Thats why I would let him beat me to his desire..I deserve every bit of it. I'm not confiding in you at all. I'm just dumping it somewhere so I can have a little room on my chest. Its smothering me.

I'm going to make sure it doesnt happen again because I dont want to like that at all. im dirt right now and i know it. I'm going to try to keep our friendship, but make sure nothing else happens unless it's on fair grounds.

[shahar2k]

almost all of what you call "consequences" in real life... are the things you do to yourselves.
learn to let yourself go, because when you are not who you really are, the world knows.

the best people I have ever known are honest with the world, they know how others see them, and they don't care.
I strive to be like that, I really could not care if I ware ripped crappy clothes, hair like tubleweed and I forget to shave most of the time. and you know what, I honestly barely even care what another person looks like when I fall for them.
I know, some would call that low standards, but it isn't, it's just diffrent. if I even detect a hint of dishonesty in a person (and trust me, if somone is pretending to be who they aren't, you can tell) that person is gone.
it's caused me a lot of pain though, because I'm willing to give myself away each time fully. so what. you live with pain, pain makes you stronger. just never let pain change you.

[Silico]

these are the stories i needed to hear... it's a more real-life version of Chicken soup for the Teenage soul.

thanks everyone who contributed to this... we gotta like publish this and name it like "Beef stew for Real People" or something. i dunno, i learned alot and i can really relate to these stories.

again, thanks for teaching me what books fail to cover(in other words, real-life stuff, not some toddler-love stories that your mom brings home for you thinking you're still innocent and always happy and still have a carefree life)

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[Bugscratch]

Guess that's because we're on the internet now. I have a tendency to be more open to internet people as well. That's because internet people are so anonymous. You don't meet them on the street, what you tell internet people noone else will know.
There's no consequences you have to fear for your behaviour. If you fuck up and people hate you in a forum, you move on to the next, where nobody knows you.
I had an online friend tell me about how he'd abused a girl (one night stand like). He also told me I'm the only one to know except his best real world friend.
And he's the only one to know specifically which girl I'm in love with. Why ? Because I don't have to fear that he could tell anyone else. He doesn't know any of my real world friends. And he can offer the same advice as them. Without my risking that my friends might think I'm strange, without my fearing that they'd laugh about me behind my back and without my fearing that they might hold midnight conventions where they ridicule me.

-bugscratch

[Spitfire]

Everybody who complains about their troubled relations should shut the fuck up and die if applicable. At least you have a relationship. Be happy with it. *growls*

[faustgfx]

wellllll..




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[Lukias]

I think males are generally bigger assholes than girls....its changing though, girls are getting all *high'n'mighty*. They feel that they, as a sex, have had it pretty hard (which is true) for quite some time. So now I find girls are adopting a *take no shit* attitude.....which is really fucking bad, cause the nice guys cop the shit when their completley underserving.

Sex got us in the shit in the first place.

None of us would have much to say if our olds wern't screwing however many years ago.

lol, I read this faust, iT Waz GuD SPulLnG aYe!......so I fixed it....although my writing style leans towards generally fucked anyhow.

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[faustgfx]

i couldn't figure out 1/3 of what you just said, but i guess it doesn't matter.


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[Isric]

The Perfect Melancoly is the most somber, brooding, and self destroyiong of all the character types. We can find beauty in the smallest things and let tragedy blow past us. We remember every wrong done against us till the day we die, we are positive those people in the corner are laughing at US.
We also build fewer relationships than others, yet those we do are stronger and deeper than anyones.
Its a curse and a blessing, a constant problem and ever present release.
Perfect melancolies are the artists, the musicians, the poets, and Sijun is full of them.
But what all perfect melancoly's must eventyally realize is that we have to STOP being such angry, creepy, depressing lumps on society, get up, and DO FRIKIN SOMETHING about our 'terrible' situations.
A perfect melancoly, when he realizes his true potential, becomes an incredible creative force in the world. Think about this for a while guys (faustgfx and spitsoul specefically) and feel free to ask me what the hell i'm talking about.

[faustgfx]

fuck creativity, it got me nowhere.



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[Spitfire]

Creativity spawns no paychecks.


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The Couch Pleasures Me!!!

[Isric]

And "Fuck I hate everything why don't you all die! nobody likes me" has? Sorry, no.

[galen]

my view? god cannot exist [in the context we view him as] because we are imperfect beings.

since god is supposed to be perfect, he cannot think of anything imperfect because that makes himself imperfect - therefore, he cannot create anything imperfect because he would have to have the innate knowledge of imperfection to create it.

this theory also disproves the devil.

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My tea's gone cold,I'm wondering why I got out of bed at all
the morning rain clouds up my window and I can't see at all
And even if I could it'd all be grey, but your picture on my wall
it reminds me that it's not so bad
it's not so bad