[Chapel]

Ok, before everyone rips into this pic I just want to say I was going for something different. I wanted to do an art nouveau style color job on the line work. Something simular to Alfons Mucha a great nouveay artist. So, this is what it ended up as. I may do a more comic book coloring style version later.

Francis did the linework and I just had to hack away at it.
Francis: I hope you like.

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[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited December 08, 2000).]

[Anthony]

Looks pretty good. Colors quite similar to Mucha's. I like the plants in the foreground.

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[ForgottenDavey]

Great pic, but if you don't mind me making a suggestion, I will. All I can say to improve it is make the border around it dark. The picture itself is pretty light and sometimes throwing a white border around it can make it look a little 'washed out', for lack of a better term. I think that's all I got though, once again nice work.

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[EviLToYLeT]

The girl looks a tad bit masculine... perhaps thin out her eyebrows and add a few eyelashes? I'm wondering how the girls is able to lean on the guys arms like that... doesn't seem like the blue guys arms are supported. But anyway, I like the flowers coming out. But anyway, might be cool if oyu extend some of the wings out of the border.. oh wait, just re read it and figured francis drew it. Great job coloring Cept the colors look a little murky... might want to try brightening the flowers in the front.

[Chapel]

Thanks for the comments. I got rid of the white border for the forum post. As far as the colors being "murky" well.. they are supposed to be. Keep in mind I wasn't really going for a comicbook look with this picture. Also, Francis drew this 2 years ago.

[Rinaldo]

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[Nex]

I really like this one.

The colors look exactly right to me, make a very relaxed/"warm" impression.

If I HAD to critiqe something I'd say the red tone on the crown and the necklace are a tiny bit too saturated and the wings would need some edges.

do you have some links to pictures by Alfons Mucha? The style looks very interresting

[This message has been edited by Nex (edited December 09, 2000).]

[Seraphire]

I don't have a clue who "Mucha" is. If you were going for a watercolor effect, I'd say that it is a little oversaturated. The skin tones especially seem like they are too much. Still pretty cool.

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[Rhomb]

Nice coloring on this one. I looked up quicly some Mucha's paintings in the web and I can sense some of the same feeling here. I like especially the the vegetation, flowers, the background and the clothing. You might want to try to add little more variation to skin colors but same time giving it a tad more pale and washed out look. Just try something little different than what looks like the standard comics skin color. The hair colors could use some darker reddish/brownish hues here and there. Very cool overall.

-Ville

Here is a couple of Mucha links I found:
http://www.imagenetion.com/amucha1.htm
http://www.thecolors.com/sub/am1

[Rinaldo]

Seraphire- I think you'd be supprised how saturated you can go with watercolour. there are a lot of limmitations with the colours you can get, but the fact that a lot of watercolour is washed out is due mostly to the artist. It depends on how you use it.
In adiition, if you're interested in comic colouring have a look at those Mucha links. only some of the best CC around^_^

[Chapel]

Here is another cool link on Mucha. Has a little bit of his stuff there.
http://www.artmagick.com/artists/mucha1.asp

I may go back and fix the red I used in the neckless and jewels.

[Dives]

Allways nice to see your stuff chapel.
I tried coloring that one too but i couldn't get anything eaven nearly presentable.

[Francis]

Chapel, that looks really nice! You've done a really good job in dealing with all the shortcomings of the drawing. For instance, I see that the wings could have had a more interesting junction with the back. I really like the palette you chose for the plants - very watercolor sort of palette.

I really hate the drapery on the king guy - doesn't look convincing AT ALL.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for doing that - looks really cool.

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[Joachim]

Looks cool. You've picked nice colors chapel. But, now, I will be really honest, hope you don't mind. Since you are going for this as a profession, it's nothing better than to get honest opinions, right ?

What I think, is that instead of just coloring different areas with the a color and then add a subtle shading, you need to think, "what can I do to make something more out the actual image". Creating a lightsetting. Even though the actual inked image is rather simple, with mostly outlines, you can still add more inside. Both the colors and shading, create a "setting". But, also a part from the actual lightsetting, you can add more details. I mean build up the surfaces, even though they are plain. I know that a lot of comics are simple colored, but in order to get a job doing that kind of thing, I think you need to show that you can do more to the image. Look closely to this image, from Adam Hughes, look at the coloring and the shading inside the lines.

The colorist have built up a lot more than there was to the original drawing. Like, I don't think the guy that colored this one do it that complicated for a whole serie, but think that you are going to be an expensive colorist and everything you color is to be good enough to be a cover of a magasine. And, if you are going to pick a frame from a comic and make it qualified to be used as a cover, you need to add a lot more to it to get it interessting enough to stand alone.

Sorry if I repeated myself or said somehting stupid, I just wrote my thoughts, haven't read through it I really say this to give some helpful feedback. This is not my area, so maybe I'm talking silly, but it's just my two cents about the subject

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[Joachim]

here's some more:
http://home.online.no/%7Ej-barrum/forum/WW154B.jpg
http://home.online.no/%7Ej-barrum/forum/WW150T1.jpg
http://home.online.no/%7Ej-barrum/forum/WW152F1.jpg
http://home.online.no/%7Ej-barrum/forum/WW156.jpg

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[Justin Kramer]

Funny that this topic came up. I've just been working on a Mucha-inspired work myself! (preview--it's kinda similar to the pics Joachim posted.)

Coloring job looks good, Chapel. Definitely Mucha-esque. Only thing that caught my eye is that up in the guy's hair, in the two little curls/tufts, the color goes outside the linework.



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[Frost]

Chapel: nice, soft and subtle, I guess that's what you were aiming for?

Joa: thos images and links you posted are amazing! I love those... I'll try to find out more of this stuff to look at.

[sacrelicious]

Chapel, I think you've done an excellent job with this coloring, it evokes a calmness and sense of peace. I'll be a broken record and suggest more variation in skin tones, cloth, wings, etc. I'd also suggest that, if anything, you could use more muted colors than the ones present to evoke that desired Mucha-ness. Anyhoo, well done.

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[Chapel]

Thanks again for all of the replies.

Joachim: Thanks for the feedback and I will take it into consideration when I do some more comic style coloring. BUT.. I was really trying to stray away from making this look comic book-ish. I did go in and make some of Francis's lines stronger and removed/modified a few here and there.

Justin: yeah, I noticed that bout 8 times already. hehe.. Eventually I will open adobe back up and fix it. I did it on the robe too but.. shhh.

By the way, the pic Joachim posted was completely done by Adam Hughes. I only wish to be half as good as him one day.

[Krazy]

looks awsome....wow good job

[Seraphire]

I have no idea what your job is.

You make me want to put down the Diablo2 and color more.

And there's nothing to be sorry about. Wheither I like it or not doesn't matter.
If you like it, then my opinion doesn't mean squat.

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[Seraphire]

Rinaldo-
Yeah, I know watercolors can be very saturated... Actually, thats what my first experiance painting was with. I was very bad at it. Maybe I'll scan somehthing sometime.

The oversaturated skin here just doesn't look right to me. It works on the flowers and can even be on the cloths, but skin should be more subued. And the hair too.

Chapel,
You seem to have alot of time to color. What is your job now?

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[garuda_x]

i am always interested in how an artist will deal with the attachement of a wing. i accept almost any interpretation of it... i like your hard lines style. klimpt and charles renee makintosh would be proud.. i dig the line quality of those artists....

what was i talking about again?

[Chapel]

I still have the same job. I'm just starting to get faster is all. I only color during my freetime.

As far as the tones and everything that was the look I was going for. Sorry if it is not to your liking.

[Chapel]

I work for Lockheed Martin as an Exchange Administrator. I maintain\administer the 100 or so Microsoft Exchange servers for the company (which supports about 200,000 users). There are only 7 people in my group, so I am a busy boy. Hard to say how long it takes me to do a pic, because I do it in bits and pieces whenever I walk by my personal computer. I also do web design for internal sites.

By the way.. not sure if anyone saw this redo I did of micke's pic:

Took 20 minutes and probably shows.

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[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited December 11, 2000).]