[Biseor]

I've debated whether or not this should go into the finished works section, because the writing itself is a work of art, and it includes a mini-flash movie. But then I rethought things and I put it here.

What is "it"?

It's my newest venture called "Big Black Lies", a look into the racist/extortionist world of black "Civil Rights" leaders. And yes there is a wacky movie too.

Biseor's Madness - You can find it all here.

[travis travis]

firstly, you earn weiner points for not linking right to the article. respect the ADD generation bitch!
http://www.biseor.com/features/blacks/

secondly, I haven't heard an opinion like that by someone so confused in awhile. interesting. do I agree much? nope. you're spitting out some pretty ridiculous things. it seems like: you have no experience, no facts, and are just grabbing a few pieces of the world according to entertainment media sources and ruminating sarcastically, oblivious to the privilidge you live in

[Ben Barker]

I predict this thread reaches over 100 posts.

Prove me wrong.

[ceenda]

Ben Barker: I couldn't even begin to pronounce Cincinnati, Ohier let alone place it. I'm curious, whereabouts is it? For that matter, which continent?

[jome]

What's next? Child porn? You crossed my line here, and I think you took the joke too far. I thought you were fooling around in a very sophisticated way, but I stopped laughing long ago.
This is not a random musing, this is not suited for a forum where people who try to express themselves in creative ways come together to talk, learn and enjoy the progress of making nice things.
Every interesting movement in arts originated with people who were openminded and tolerant, incorporating pieces of other cultures. Jazz, for instance, is the greatest thing to come out of the US.
You do not qualify, and though you might think your passtime is taking culture to another level, everyone else thinks you're in a deadend street. You don't get out much, do you? I do not have a message for you. The following links will help people to understand and act against the problem of online extremism, and I hope you read them too.
You must understand, Biseor, that I cannot appreciate someone sowing hatred on an artforum I come to to enjoy myself, and I wish you'd stop contaminating this community.
People tried to think about measures against racism in Durban, South Africa last september, but no results were booked. It's time to act and educate.
I greet you.


Fellow Sijun members,

Internet speech that is merely critical, annoying, offensive or demeaning enjoys constitutional protection. However, the First Amendment does not provide a shield for libelous speech or copyright infringement, nor does it protect certain speech that threatens or harasses other people. For example, an E-mail or a posting on a Web site that expresses a clear intention or threat by its writer to commit an unlawful act against another specific person is likely to be actionable under criminal law. Persistent or pernicious harassment aimed at a specific individual is not protected if it inflicts or intends to inflict emotional or physical harm. To rise to this level, harassment on the Internet would have to consist of a "course of conduct" rather than a single isolated instance. A difficulty in enforcing laws against harassment is the ease of anonymous communication on the Internet. Using a service that provides almost- complete anonymity, a bigot may repeatedly E-mail his victim without being readily identified.

Blanket statements expressing hatred of an ethnic, racial or religious nature are protected by the First Amendment, even if those statements mention individual people and even if they cause distress in those individuals. Similarly, denial of the Holocaust -- though abhorrent -- is almost never actionable under American law. The Constitution protects the vast majority of extremist Web sites that disseminate racist or anti- Semitic propaganda.

This snippet comes from the "Responding to Extremist Speech Online FAQ" at the ADL.
The FAQ contains the answers on the questions you may have. Contacting the ISP seems to be the most effective tool in our fight against extremist bigotry.

----Other helpful links:

www.hatewatch.org
-currently under construction, but one the largest watchdog on the net
http://www.magenta.nl/crosspoint/us.html
-links to US resources and organizations
http://www.vrx.net/aar/resources.html
-anti-racism links
http://www.adl.org/
-the Anti Defamation League
http://www.magenta.nl/crosspoint/
-Crosspoint Anti Racism



[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: jome ]

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: jome ]

[Biseor]

Wow. You must have alot of posters of Hitler on your wall.

Oh yeah, i'd also like to hear about how exactly i'm racist. This should be good.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Biseor ]

[Steven Stahlberg]

Biseor, I'm just curious, are you serious or not? I can't tell 100% for sure.

[Pat]

LOL.

404'd with the following forward:
http://bn1.bravidio.com/suspended.page/

Guess someone got in trouble?

-Pat

[Atomic Urine]

Heh heh heh:

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Our client has terminated this account.
Thank You
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-----Original Message-----
From: Creed
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Biseor.com


To Whom It May Concern,



I'd like to file a formal complaint against a domain currently hosted by your company; Biseor.com



His ideas, content, and rhetoric have been consistently spiraling from annoying to outright racist. His latest feature "Big Black Lies" (http://www.biseor.com/features/blacks/) crosses many, many lines. A number of organizations are currently considering filing suit against Biseor.com and its propagators. Before this enters the hands of the law, is there anything you can do about it?

Best Regards,
Jeff Atkins

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Serves you right, moron. Any supporters of "Biseor" go ahead and flame away. At some point a line needs to be drawn from opinion, to bigotry.

[Biseor]

quote:

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Originally posted by Creed:
Heh heh heh:

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Our client has terminated this account.
Thank You
Milissa Miller
FiberCloud
Director of Operations

-----Original Message-----
From: Creed
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Biseor.com


To Whom It May Concern,



I'd like to file a formal complaint against a domain currently hosted by your company; Biseor.com



His ideas, content, and rhetoric have been consistently spiraling from annoying to outright racist. His latest feature "Big Black Lies" (http://www.biseor.com/features/blacks/) crosses many, many lines. A number of organizations are currently considering filing suit against Biseor.com and its propagators. Before this enters the hands of the law, is there anything you can do about it?

Best Regards,
Jeff Atkins

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Serves you right, moron. Any supporters of "Biseor" go ahead and flame away. At some point a line needs to be drawn from opinion, to bigotry.

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It'll be back in a day. I'm glad you leftist Nazi's think you have won, using the typical lies. I'm not suprised.

By the way, the feature was in no way racist. You assumed it to be, because it went against your leftist close-minded crusade to shut everyone up that doesn't agree with you or has a conservative opinion. By the by, even if I was out there cursing different races, I have news for you. Racism is not illegal. That's right moron.

But i'll stand by my claims that it was not racism. And it truly was not. I'll send you fifty bucks if you can point out the racism in that article. Seriously.

Anyway, it'll be back in a day.

[ceenda]

quote

Quote:

I'll send you fifty bucks if you can point out the racism in that article.

oooOOOoooh... now there's a good reason to use PayPal.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: ceenda ]

[Steven Stahlberg]

LOL
I can see it now:
Someone: "Here's a list of the reasons why this article is racist, now give me 3450 dollars."
Biseor: "Nope - all those items are facts. No racism here."
S: "No they're not, here's proof it's false and defamatory."
B: "Your proof is manufactured."
S: "Why do you think that?"
B: "Because I know you're a leftist nazi lackey."
S: "Why do you think that?"
B: "Because you oppose me."

You can't win against people with a conspiracy theory, the very fact that you argue with them proves to them that they are right.

[Biseor]

Actually, now that I sit back and think about it, you all just validated the oh-so "racist" article that I wrote.

So in a wierd sort of way...Thanks.

[travis travis]

once again:

it seems like: you have no experience, no facts, and are just grabbing a few pieces of the world according to entertainment media sources and ruminating sarcastically, oblivious to the privilidge you live in

in other words - nobody cares. you're only getting in trouble for annoying and offending some people and they complained. but your content - it really doesn't mean much to anyone, it's just so far off base. it's almost funny in that manner, but your lack of an underlying brain or conscience just makes it annoying.

[Biseor]

quote:

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Originally posted by Steven Stahlberg:
LOL
I can see it now:
Someone: "Here's a list of the reasons why this article is racist, now give me 3450 dollars."
Biseor: "Nope - all those items are facts. No racism here."
S: "No they're not, here's proof it's false and defamatory."
B: "Your proof is manufactured."
S: "Why do you think that?"
B: "Because I know you're a leftist nazi lackey."
S: "Why do you think that?"
B: "Because you oppose me."

You can't win against people with a conspiracy theory, the very fact that you argue with them proves to them that they are right.

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That's a cute bit of writing there. Here's the problem, I wrote an opininated social theory piece. That's all it was. Oh god forbid I don't think that blacks should be payed reparations! I AM SUCH A BIG NEO-NAZI HITLER COMMIE FAG! I said that Jesse Jackson was an EXTORTIONIST! OH JESUS! I BELONG IN THE KKK!! NO NO, WAIT, I SHOULD BE SHOT!

As I said in my piece, the left has twisted and bent the meaning of racism for use in their political agenda. And what we see right here, right now is just that! You dense little conformist.

[The_Anarchist]

Ok that was just wrong getting biseor.com taken off the net! You have no right to that we have a thing in this county called free speach! This supports all other rights given to us! With out the freedom to express our selves we open up to all non-politcaly correct ideas to be censored! THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS!

I'm going to shut up now and let you destroy your freedoms but when big brother is watching you at every turn and your very thoughts betray you don't come crying to me!!

[Duckman2]

Well Jesse Jackson, did use his tax exempt status to support his mistress, but I haven't read the article so thats all I'm going to say.

[Biseor]

quote:

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Originally posted by travis travis:
once again:
it really doesn't mean much to anyone, it's just so far off base.

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In that case, then why wasn't my site simply ignored by these communist pigs? If it bothers you, don't fucking look at it!

You liberals and your contempt for everyone else's free speech. It makes me sick.

[degenerate]

and there biseor goes with his lumping of every single person that disagrees with him about ANYTHING into the "liberal scum" category that he's made up all by himself.

never can get away from me, can you Biseor??

Biseor, you never seem to respond to any criticism of any conviction you may have with any kind of belief back-up. You just insult, and lump people into your fantasy liberal scum group, and go on about your business. I don't agree that your site should have been taken down necessarily, but in the same sense, I don't agree with your extremist points of view. It probably will be back up soon anyway, even if you have to find another host. But a host certainly has a right to deny you service.


pffft well anyway, I've got some liberal scum business to attend to.

[Rat]

This will be my one and only post in this discussion:

Okay. Why is everyone posting in this thread when they know that all it'll do is get Biseor riled up? That means he'll just stay here, basking in the "glory" of starting a battle between Biseor supporters and everyone else. If you ignore him, he'll eventually go away.

I think it's a good thing that his site is down. It was - for lack of a better term - pathetic.

Biseor - "NO NO, WAIT, I SHOULD BE SHOT!" Stop giving me ideas . It's unhealthy.

[Biseor]

quote:

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Originally posted by Rat:
I think it's a good thing that his site is down. It was - for lack of a better term - pathetic.

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Reguardless of what you think, it is my right to freedom of spee...oh wait, your from Canada huh? I guess you wouldn't know anything about free speech you socialist pig.

quote:

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Biseor - "NO NO, WAIT, I SHOULD BE SHOT!" Stop giving me ideas . It's unhealthy

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I have no doubt in my mind that you would go all commie with a pistol to my head for having different ideals. You make me sick.

quote:

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Degenerate:
I don't agree that your site should have been taken down necessarily, but in the same sense, I don't agree with your extremist points of view.

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At least you are a liberal with enough common sense to realize the value of free speech. I'll give you that much.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Biseor ]

[Atomic Urine]

Just out of curiosity, what exactly is your political standing, Biseor?

[Biseor]

*Yawn* Oh wait. Is my site back up?! I guess your liberal fear tactics didn't work as well as you thought.

For future reference: If you want to practice your close-minded liberal ways, I suggest you go move to that scumhole called Europe. They'll make you a king! A KING! Muhahahahah!

[Atomic Urine]

Is your down syndrome-plagued brain incapable of answering a simple question?

I must say, that for a man over 40 you certainly are pathetic. Lotsa long nights with a jar of Vaseline, Biseor? You poor, dirty old man.

[xXxPZxXx]

Grr sorry I don't want this to get to 100 posts either because Biseor has too much fun spewing his same rhetoric over and over.

Whatever though I do indeed agree with some of what you are saying in that essay (actually only about a sentence worth of it), Although it was written quite untastefully. What bothers me is the broad generalizations that you throw out without you yourself looking at the other side of the story.

Take the religion example you have. I see you have a problem with the nation of islam? I will ask you how much you know of them and their people? Or did you just happen to read snippets off of some republican website and agree with what you read? You can have a problem with whatever you want but when you make uninformed prejudices it just makes you look ignorant. How can you possibly pass judgment on their beliefs? Just due to the fact they are different than yours? Ok they believe Allah created black men 6,000 years ago. I am guessing you believe that a crazy cool "superbeing" created everything that we see in 7 days. Then created a baby in a virgin who wandered around for years hanging out with the down and out telling everyone he was the son of the cool dude who made everything. CAN YOU SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT FOR ANYTHING?!

What I dislike most of all is your utter hatred for people based on them having different values than yourself. I would say I linger towards the left, but what I find is that my beliefs make me a much more loving person. I DON'T hate people or their actions because I don't agree with them. I don't hate because they pray to something that I don't. I don't hate them because they choose a different lifestyle and I don't know why you feel the need to pick fights with all those people striving to make the hate stop. You are really part of the problem and not the solution.

-PZ-

P.S. if you cared enough about humans due to the fact that they are humans you wouldn't bash what you call a violent religion. You would choose a different one to call your own and choose to tolerate what others do.

Why is it so hard to choose love over hate?

[Impaler]

Did you mention Marcus Garvey in your video? He was probably the more obvious version of a greedy civil leader, although I'm sure several nativists would have my head for that statement.

I can only think of Alan B. Sharpton as the money-pocketing civil rights leader.

Eh. Either way, say what you will, Biseor. It's about as dangerous as black zealots lumping all white people together as the cause of all rectal anarchy. Plus, you have the freedom of speech at your disposal.

[Rat]

quote:

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Originally posted by Biseor:

Reguardless...

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I know I said I wouldn't post in this thread again, but I just had to mention: you spelled regardless wrong.

And:

I never said I didn't appreciate/agree with peoples' right to free speech. I excercise it all the time. I just don't agree with what you're saying. You were wrong to make judgements without actually knowing the person first...asshole.

Now, I promise I'm gonna ignore you. Racism is pathetic and judgemental.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Rat ]

[FrustratedARTist]

Hehehe...

I'm a frustrated guy as you can see by the name, but the difference in my frustration and everyone else's is that I'm frustrated only with myself(mainly because of my laziness and inability to keep my mind focused on one project) and no one else.

Biseor seems to be frustrated with everyone else (liberal scum I believe he called em) and everyone else seems to be frustrated with Biseor (a racist, untasteful, down-syndrom-plagued dirty old man, I believe he was called).

Aaaanyway. I Digress(don't know how to spell that and too lazy to find out).

Just wanted to point out the "frustration" in here. Actually I just want to see this hit 100 post hehe.

Frustrated

[elam]

Wheee!!!
More fat cocks , aye Biseor?

I'm telling you man, you're a supressed homosexual. That's the root of all your hatred.
There's no way you could be married. I can't imagine a woman putting up with your bullshit, unless she's your 2nd cousin. Hey! You're from Kentucky right? It's plausible.

Now, the only thing worse than an ignorant bigot, is someone who thinks it's their right to censor him.
What is the good in silencing him? I would rather hear what he's saying, no matter how offensive, then have him silenced.

David Horowitz put ads in various college newspapers advertising a speech he was going to be giving on why blacks shouldn't be given reparations, and student groups on some campuses took every every single copy of the campus newspapers and burned them. Simply because they didn't want people to hear Horowitz speak.

That's fucked up and so is this.

So Jome, I would say the most effective tool in fighting extremist bigotry is engagement, not censorship.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: elam ]

[Kaete]

Hee hee, oh my. It's so ridiculous when people are terrified of the big bad liberal boogie man (or big bad conservatists wolf).

Really Bis, what's up with the lib. fixation? But I have to give you credit --- you're the first person that I've ever actually heard use the word "commie" and mean it.

Back when I was in highschool, that was just one of our in-jokes. "Hey, those are my french fries, you commie bastard!"

And I think we all have a little misconception about the 1st Amendment here. Yes, it does ensure freedom of speech. But that's it. You have the freedom to say whatever you want --- but you can't force someone to give you their megaphone.

To phrase it in another way: you can print out all the 'zines that you want. But you can't force another newspaper to print your articles if they don't want to. It's their business, and their space. Get your own printing press, and you can publish the article.