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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 12:06 pm     Reply with quote
Cool sketch!

One critique though, don't listen to Enigma, get a cd called "Karma" by Delerium.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 12:09 pm     Reply with quote
one thing i dont understand.why you use direct light[it's that very strong tone under his left arm] in this pic,because how i see, is raning out there?
or is that suny kind of rain?

other way the pic is ok for me,maybe some anatomy problems , but is good to see somebody trying this dificult poz.

...=)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 7:58 pm     Reply with quote
Hey nice pic The idea is simple and to the point. The line work is strong in the majority of the picture. Some critiques and suggestions: His left leg/knee(being leaned on) could use some refinement...the form/anatomy is difficult to understand and would have communicated much better if you had used simple cylinders as you did in his left arm. The cape is a little to wrinkled for my tastes and doesn't look natural(just my opinion ) And the chest seems a little too vertical should be slopping(sp?) inward more. But don't let this discourage you, I still really like the pic

Isn't Delerium just an Enigma clone with a faster beat. I like both but why stop listening to one when you could listen to both?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:30 pm     Reply with quote
I love the concept! Which i think is always more important than the actual drawing (ducks for cover as being pelted by tomatoes). Thinkgs i would change:

1) I know he's in a squated position when he is bowing down, but personally, I would make the right leg be with his knee ON the ground, like he was kneeling. That way, the funny bump on the cape (which is there for every right reason) will not be there. It just looks kinda akward.

2)Anatomy, but i know u know whats wrong.

3)A cross would be more stylin, maybe celtic design


keep it up SephIRoth.

nice name by the way.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:34 pm     Reply with quote
Dino, thanx for the critique
But as for the chest, look closer, it is leaning inward...you must have confused the line with the heads shadow...
As for the cape, the idea was that since its rainind, its getting pretty wet, therefore its heavier and tends to fall more than usual causing more straight lines than usual.
I agree with the leg thing though, i did it pretty fast, the idea there was that he's wearing some armor and its kinda overshadowed by his cape so i didnt want to emphasize too much on the details there, but now that i look at it, i should've gave it a lil more time. Thanx for the comments though, it feels good to hear other artists impressions
By the way you guys ( and girls ) It would be cool if you would try drawing a character thats either sad or vulnerable.. but no tears and stuff, thats too easy
Give it a shot, its harder than i thought !


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:41 pm     Reply with quote
Superbug,
i was just writing the reply and when i returned to the thread, your message was there ! Whats wrong with the anatomy ? The only thing that i would think is wrong is the knee covered by the cape might be a tad to low...as for the rest, im not too sure..
I guess the drawing isnt all that clear in this size, i have to admit, it looks a lil confusing. And the cross idea...honestly i had drawn a cross at first cuz i thought it wouldve left a deeper impact but i didnt want to spend too much time with the perspective and stuff, i got lazy so i just put up a fast drawn tombstone
Thanx for the comments Superbug !
I like the nickname also, but you have to give Squaresoft credit for that ! hehe

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:42 pm     Reply with quote
very nice..but the bump in the cape and the thing sticking out of the ground look outta place.....nce rain effect
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:50 pm     Reply with quote
Just a quick response to your response about the chest. The line for his right peck and the shadow are well seperated and I didn't confuse the two. I agree that the chest is slopping a little but what I was trying to say is that it needs to be slanting (diagonal line) more to make it look natural...perpective wise. I know I had my battles with perspective but I'm learning Just thought I'd make my critique a little clearer Good Luck


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:11 pm     Reply with quote
Sorry, I'm responding only to a sub-thread that's developed here . . . :

Enigma and Delerium are two excellent bands.

Delerium has the better vocalists.

Enigma is a little further toward the Deep Forest direction, while I would describe Delerium as slightly more techno. Personally, I'm a bigger Delerium fan, and I would recommend not only Karma, but Semantic Spaces (the album that preceded karma).


And, definitely, these bands create music that is perfect for any form of inspiration!

-mt
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:19 pm     Reply with quote
Well, here's a pencil sketch i had done recently. I was kinda inspired by Dhabih's "Broken" image. I wanted to draw someone who seemed vulnerable, i had lotsa trouble thinking about it initially, then i put on some Enigma and it help trigger my imagination



Well, this is my second artwork post, as usual comments are very welcome and maybe you guys could post some of your own vulnerable characters !!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:51 pm     Reply with quote
Hey, great sketch! How long did it take you? And are you going to coulour it in?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:56 pm     Reply with quote
Thanx El Caserone !
I appreciate your nice comment. It took me around an hour honestly, most of which was spent on the cape though, i decided to add the rain effect a lil afterwards.
As for coloring, im not too good at it yet, im gonna have to try at a certain point, but i dont want to try it out with a mouse and since i dont have a tablet, its gonna have to wait
Well anyone else ? comments or maybe post some of your sketches !

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2000 9:04 am     Reply with quote
i love the image in concept, and it is even pulled off way better than i can do but i noticed something small...

anyways, about the bump where the right knee is, the dip before it makes it appear as tho there is a special place for the knee in the cape, cus the cape curves around it just a little too closely... other than that, the other posts covered my other critiques of the image

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