[proximo]

NO! they are all fake ! he just used the photoshop canvis plugin ! i know it ! ahahahah those are some nice painting, yah i used to be able to paint like that , untill the accident, now i have to use my toes! later all !

[Isric]

I guess we're all just drawn to conflict. It's not always a bad thing, but if you don't want to get burned, stay out of the fire (blatant cliche). A ghood debate is fun, and it becomes even more fun when fire starts. Most of us have strong opinions, and this is an environment where we can't bite each others faces off.

Of course, we can bite each others emotional faces off, but hey! you can't put a band aid on that now can you, hahah...oi.

[pierre]

Well guys,

I am truly sorry that I started this thread when knowing I would have that little amount of time to visit it. If I post a thread, I certainly have the obligation to speak for myself and I have tried to do that when I have had time for it. And what was even more procrastinating for this heated up discussion is that the forum was down for three days? (i think). However, like micke stated, I had already finished the rendering of Mickes sketch before the temporarily halt of the forum, he saw it.
I feel that I posted a dragon in this thread, however the dragon is dead and instead I see myself fighting with a thousand of snakes, I much rather prefer to fight one singel dragon. Yes, I spoke symbolically here, there are so many comments in this thread that I would like to comment and I will try to do this if someone is still interesting to see what I have to say.

Just for now I would like to say a few words to Spooge. Thank you very much for giving your opinion on my art.

I still think you are one of the greatest in your genre. From the first time I stumbled on your webpage, it was a long time I ago, I have frequently been visiting it. Artitsts of your kind and of your technical skill and understanding are rare, and will remain rare. It is not often indeed you see such a strong visual understanding in someone.

I agree with most things you say. The paintings shown on my webage are old. They were done , yes, mainly at a time when I was exploring the media and trying to master it. They were also done in a period of my life when I was trying to learn to see, to understand what I was seeing, to understand why the human mind understood it like that. I am glad I did that because that gave me a great foundation to build upon. My art has changed alot and it doesn't rely on photos as much as it did before, in many cases there is no photo involved at all. I can leave the photos out in many cases, partly because what I devoted myself for when I was younger. Also, I just want to add, that many paintings of the quality that you see on the webpage was done from real life, and not photos. I look forward to learning alot from you here spooge, thanks again

I told micke that it is sad that many people in this forum has formed a final opinion without even seeing a fraction of my work yet, but I think I am partly to blame here since I didnt post much of that on my webpage.

If anyone wants to see the painting of mickes sketch, go here
http://www.crosswinds.net/~pierrehannah/forum/girl2.jpg

[Isric]

Well spoken. And a nice metaphor. Its easy for one snake to cause a landslide of venom spitting.
carry on.

[Nightime]

I have stayed quiet in this thread until now.

Pierre, I've always had faith your work was genuine from the moment you posted your home page several weeks ago. I'm very glad you proved this to the nay-sayers, as reading through the first page of the thread were pretty upsetting. I can see why Thernodized claims were made, but we really need to give others the benefit of the doubt here.

It's ironic, really, that for a while back most of us were clamoring for a technically proficient artist to join the boards. And when Pierre comes, he gets kicked right between the eyes - to the point, one spiteful poster said, If he's such a great artist, why is he on Crosswinds. Not exact words, but you get the gist of it.

(/Edit: Sorry for using that as an example and by no means a slander against the person who said it, it just seems that, a lot of us are expecting every great artist that joins this board _must_ have an outstanding list of credentials to prove himself... There are countless of artists who are exceptional at what they do who do not have a public outlet, this is what this board is for, least I imagined./)

Pierre has handled himself well. Kudos to you.

And now, I wonder if anyone is making a list for apologies.

-Nighty

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[Tinusch]

*pursues Nightime with a dagger*

[Affected]

Maybe "SuPeR_DrAwEr" here is right, then?

[jasonN]

I agree with Sumaleth about photorealism. Personally I'm amazed by photo reproductions and realism, it's something I want to be able to do one day. Maybe it's because I'm younger, more impressionable and easily 'wowed' by photoreal artworks. I might grow out of it some day.

Something void said was also very valid:

"Drawing and painting blindly without looking at the mechanics of life doesn't get you anywhere"

Whenever I draw or copy, thinking and trying to understand the mechanics is a fun part that makes the process much simpler and easier. I know it sounds weird, but I find it hard to just copy what I see. I need to break it down a bit. So I try to keep things like this in mind to improve my understanding of shapes and objects.

Oh and Pierre, I like you rendition of Mickes sketch very much!
And congrats on being so well tempered considering all the crap you've been getting....

-Jason

[Void]

Alright, in defense of Dan the man with the master plan (Danny), I interpreted his post as the following: Drawing and painting blindly without looking at the mechanics of life doesn't get you anywhere. This means that if you just look at something and paint it (ie, pictures, an object in life, etc) without actually understanding it, it doesn't get you anywhere. I agree with this, to a point.

The whole realism scene was created for historical records of rulers, etc, when there was no other way to do so. In this way, people had to learn to paint as life-like as possible. With the advent of the camera, keeping these historical documents of life and people in general became much easier, decreasing the need to hyper-realism. Soon many people (Picasso stands out, for me at least) got tired of realism once they had achieved it, and moved on to more abstract art. However, these artists still had the understanding of what the world is, visually.

Understanding the light source, shadow, radiosity, reflections, refractions, and many other observations which require intense study and mathematical equations is what many people (mostly new to art) forget to do with realism. They just paint what they see, without knowing why it is what they see.

I do not think, however, this makes anyone less of an artist. It just shows they are not as devoted, etc, to understanding the world in terms of visuals. All art is is an expression of feelings and observations (everyone sees things in different ways). Because of this, art can't truly be judged, only interpreted.

Overall, I think if someone devotes their lives to just painting what they see and not understanding it, they have not gained anything great. If they understand it but do not achieve realism, fine. Just the comprehension and application (the effort) is all that matters to me.

[SuPeR_DrAwEr]

A FLAME MUST ALWAYS BE FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER!!!! THAT IS LAW OF BRAVE!!!!!!!

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[Tinusch]

Why are people still arguing and flaming? Look at the page posted above. Those are definitely painted, and Pierre was wrongly accused.

[Freddio]

a couple things...

Nice picture.. but it doesnt look very phototrealistic to me..

there is no true way of knowing that this isnt a fake. It could be a photo and then painted over...

But I do belive that you did paint this and you are innocent...

but taking photos and calling them your concept renders isnt good

[spooge demon]

Thanks for the kind words, Pierre. I am honored that you feel that way.

I am looking forward to seeing some of your more recent stuff!

I agree that you showed much restraint in not yelling back.

Here's my version of Mickes drawing, I did it before seeing yours. Thought it was interesting how different they were.



ps, Danny and Phil, I agree with you both, believe it or not.

[Danny]

Well I'm glad to see atleast some people managed to NOT mis-interpret and over-exaggerate my view on things. Thanks Void for reading and understanding my words as they were meant to be read.
To all who felt enraged by my ramblings, take a load off, stand back and mellow out before you hit that reply button.
I feel like I need to justify and explain my every word around here before people understand.


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[Chapel]

I'd like to go on the record by saying I never bashed pierre. I just made fun of the test that was given to him to prove himself. (that was before micke straightened me out)

[Anthony J]

Hey Pierre, didn't you draw this image of the girl too??
http://www.crosswinds.net/~pierrehannah/forum/girl.jpg

It's MUCH better than the
girl2.jpg image of the same link!!

Nice job !




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[Icannon]

pierre and spooge.. nice renders, guys

[pierre]

thanks anthony,

but I still prefer the girl2.jpeg

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[garuda_x]

i guess the world needs more skeptics...hehe. i'm sure glad this guy isnt saying he is the lost son of elvis or else we'd have him posting mp's of him singing blue suede shoes..... i dont even know what that means....just speaking while my fingers document. its sort of stupid that people have to post up to prove who they are (faith in human nature is waning [how do you spell wane-ing?])....... what was i talking about again? see, i really did type this post. i cant spell..... i dunno....
ars longa, vita brevis
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