[surferboi]

Dear Mr. Dives,

After reading on here that to be a true artist, one must have drawn a sensitive portrait of a person, alas i have not.
So how could i in good conscious, continue working for Skywalker Studios as Lead Art Director. So i promptly resigned today. I dunno where to turn now, art colleges doesn't seem to be the right answere for being a true artist, i already have a degree. but that doesnt make me a true artist as you said. So im going to attempt my first sensitive portrait. But im curious more about the details involved, do i just have to draw one sensitive picture, and just like that im a true artists, or do i have to draw one each year? quarterly, weekly, daily? I need ur help, please its of utmost urgency.

Sincerly,
Surferboi

P.S. Divers ur a retard

[surferboi]

Welp that didnt take too long i hope.

Lemme pray for a lil redemption so i can start work monday.
Heres the sensitive guy... since i dunno guy thats sensitive i took a shot at guessing what u look like dives.

[Dives]

Shocking topic yes? well it is supposet to be. I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION! how many sensitive pictures have you seen this year? i mean really sensitive. An innocent looking girl/woman or someone crying. I would think most poeple will say none. And the reason for this is EVERYBODY DRAWS WIZARDS & WARRIORS!!
Look around this forum it has what? around 6k of posts? can you find 5 sensitive pictures? im sure there has to be atleast 2-5 thousand pictures around here.

So i decided i would try and draw something sensitive. And guess what I FAILED MISERABLY!! that is because i draw the same thing everyone else. This means, Samurai, bikers, wizards and monsters.

Now i challenge you to draw something really sensitive. Then post it here or make a new post and include in the name sensitive. for example Sensitive Pic: Dives

Then everyone can come and comment on the picture and express their oppinion. After that we can decide is it sensitive or not.

We ofcourse might have some problems with that since we don't know what sensitive means.

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"Don't go to heaven, It is really only hell" Ronnie James Dio

[endrigan]

this is like the 30th topic with this subject................... give it up!!!

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[Jerry]

This year I've drawn two pictures.... Tears and Betrayals does it count?
http://webcom3000.tripod.com/Betrayal.png
http://webcom3000.tripod.com/Art-Tears.htm

also sensitive doesn't always have to be a girl or something like this:
http://webcom3000.tripod.com/Art-Lost-City.htm

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[faustgfx]

i find it pretty amusing and disgusting at the same time that you "should" call yourself an artist or whatever.

go stab a 12 years old girl and take a photo of her face, the photoi think that's a display of sensitivity right there. that's answer enough for your so called challenge.

but then again i am not an artist.


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[[Shizo]]

This crap i drew last year, an donly thing i like about it is HAIR



PS: sorr for posting pic itself, but i like forums with pics instead of URLs even though im on 56k.. just keep them under 50kb

[Dives]

Endrigan:I know there are a lot of topics on this and that is a good thing. People need to learn to paint nice things too and not only fighting pics.

Faustgfx: Well since you are finnish i can't really expect that much from you. But the first thing is that I posted under that topic so people would take a look. A challenge urges someone to do something instead of being passive.
And stabbing a girl and taking a photo is not art it is sick. AND i said DRAAAAW it, I can take a picture of an innocent looking girl anytime but it does not mean i can get it into a drawing.

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"Don't go to heaven, It is really only hell" Ronnie James Dio

[Dives]

Shizo: i like the pic it is artistic but is that supposed to be sensitive? looks like a golden statue.

[mantis]

it's amusing that you are sending a "distress signal" to "real" artists. I can't participate since I am a "fake" artist? I draw for no reasons, no personal intention. I just draw whatever comes in at any specific time and sticks with me and at other times I draw for money but that's a separate case all together.

You ask why it is hard to draw a sensitive figure, I don't think it is, at all. Just remember the age-old motto of an artist; "half a circle up is good, half a circle down is bad."

I am going to get my blue beret, grow a moustache, and make vague lines on canvas to create a following of "art critics". Maybe I am just too superficial but what profound traits entitles one, an "artist"?

When I find out, I'll try to become one and create a sensitive piece for you


[edit]

in case the sarcasm didn't flow too well online, I might as well make my point clear. . .

ugh! it really irks me when people use the term "artists", or better yet, "real artists"

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[Dives]

Ok i will put it like this. An artist should be able to draw just about enything. Im not expecting leonardo stuff here like drawing a perfect circle by hand or anything like that. What i want to get started here is people making nice and beautiful pictures instead of the warriors and everything else. COME ON FIND A PICK AND POST A LINK OR POST IT HERE SO I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN TRUE SENSITIVITY IN A PICTURE!! CAN YOU DO THAT? NOW IF YOU CAN'T DRAW IT ATLEAST FIND ONE!! I DARE YOU.

[faustgfx]

"since you're finnish i can't really expect that much from you."

hei. haistapa pitk� vittu.

translation in common language, hey. smell a cunt. translation in common language so that it makes sense, hey. fuck you too.



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[EviLToYLeT]

Frankly, I'm confused like everyone else.... what the hell is all this sensitive bull? *Shrug* sensitive isn't that hard to draw, it's just conveying expressions.. sensitive is just as hard to draw as sadness, anger, etc. And, please don't try to discourage other artists by saying if you can't draw this your not an artist. Everyones an artist, just in their own special ways. Some express their artisan skills verbally, mentally, and physically. Haha anyway, I get this idea that your just trying to get ideas for a pic or osmething.if so , just ask straight up..none of this bs, please.

[EviLToYLeT]

Dives: Want to show us some of your "sensitive" artwork? Or just regular artwork? I don't belive I've seen any of your work.

[Dives]

The one on the right is a sensitive anime. And that is a crude draw. That is not my drawing.

EviLToYLeT: read above please

[faustgfx]

and what comes to your ELITELY CAPITALIZED SENTENCE, yeah, i can't draw, such is life, i'd much rather do the graphics shit that i do for living than spend time on drawing. that way i'd have to do it for 24 hours a day to get anything done.

mind you, i hate my work/job.

and on a later remark, to continue the caustic line, the one on the right looks more like a manga character to me than a animated manga generation movie. it does not move. and sensitive? mkay.

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[Chapel]

How many of these posts do we really need?

[faustgfx]

chapel, many.


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[Visigoth]

*cough*



You're a cockgobbler, Dives.
That is all.



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[EviLToYLeT]

Man... .... yet another flame is erupting. faustgfx, go to espoo and find out what's cooking. hehe. Well, i don't think its anywhere in your right to tell us what to do and tell us what not to do. We can do whatever we want. And keep in mind that some artists choose certain styles over others and maybe don't like sensitive things. But anyway, my point is this. please don't YELL at us or demand we do things.. it only gets us pissed off. If you 'd like to see us do this, maybe assk Dhabiah to put it in "bulcward"

[nova]

i think some people want to get away from the 'norm' (i hate that word), and draw something that wouldn't normally exist in real life, like the warriors, wizards, etc etc. it's inevitable.

my take:

[wip, obviously]





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[Dives]

Let me start by telling those people that still don't understand that the topic was not meant to be offensive and i could have posted under a little more light topic. Second i already posted and said I will still consider you an artist no matter what crap you pain. Nowadays if somebody shits on a canvas he is called an artist so in my oppinion the word is worthless anyway.

SECOND i love the wizards, warriors, dragons etc. I never said you sucked, most people here do better work than i because i am still pretty much a beginner but i can draw a straight line if needed be. So please go on and do whatever you have done since now and i will gladly admire your work. This is supposed to be a challenge to you for you to see if you can do something like that.

For example a guy in my school has been to drawing classes for 2 years and basically he draws the same figure with different class. Another person has been drawing for 1 year and has gone to no schools and he draws better and a lot of different stuff.
So if i have really offended yo uthat much im sorry. And take a look at noves picture. A girl with wings that looks pretty and sensitive. That is a great merger.


NOVA: YOUR PICK ROX!! That is the kind of thing i was looking for. YOU ROCK MAN!!

[u2art]

I hear ya Dives. And I hear everyone else. There is a use for fantasy art, and game art, and there is a point where drawing becomes an expression, which sadly enough is rarely seen in game art, since it is commercial. That isnt to say that those people aren't artist, because they create...they just do what the masses will pay for. Look at any art on this forum, then look at Kathe Kollwitz, and you'll see a big difference in drawing...and expression...or more currently, look at some of the rough animation or drawings by Glen Keane...that is feeling...which is the word that I think Dive was looking for not sesitive..or whatever. Feeling in a drawing takes time and skill, and few get it. In the industry you have to pump out art...which sacrifices quality for flash. If you're shooting for "game art" your "looking at the finger" not the moon (as Bruce Lee would say). But hey, if that's what you want to do and you are happy, who gives a shit. Personally, I am shooting for the moon, meanwhile starving. Do what makes you happy, and dont crack on anyone doing what makes them happy.
Dives keep looking at the moon buddy, even if you are shooting for game art....look at jason manly...he knows as much about the Masters as he does games, and he likes what he does and he gets paid. He is an amazing traditional artist who is now in games, but that makes you wonder then...why is his digital work sooo good...hmmmmm...it couldnt have anything to do with studying the masters, and learning to paint and draw expression....hmmm

-Art

[Lukias]

I draw monsters and muscle men and monters aswell, its fun and I like.

Sometimes I draw creatures which are like monsters.
I would draw women crying but thats as fun as masturbating with a cheese grater.

(seriously, one day i'll progress to *sensitive things* but if it were as interesting to the artist as wizards and dragons then quite simply we'd be seeing alot more of it.......rather straight forward)


PS the expression of angry is very easy to capture, though drawing someone who's pondering or...... Geez can you imagine drawing envy or compassion?, man that'd be hard.

[JayBee]

Right, let's give this topic some definition, shall we?

quote:

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"An artist should be able to draw just about anything" - Dives, 2000

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Bullshit?

Discuss.

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[This message has been edited by JayBee (edited November 26, 2000).]

[Shousetsu]

Ok to much to read, so my guess is there is an arguement.

Heres a sensitive picture I did.


Is that sensitive enough? It was spawned by boredom.

[Lukias]

Perhaps people arn't *sniff* taking the possibilty.....that..that some might be a little...sensitive themselves......I....I'm......I just can't take this anymore, why is everyone so mean!!....

[Jenn]

here is my sensitive pic



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[shaithis]

Err... "sensitive" isn't really an emotion. It's more of a descriptive term. Beyond that, I'm not exactly sure I grasp what's meant by "sensitive art."

The examples given.... "crying" for example, are hardly guarantees. I could draw someone crying because their hand is currently being crushed in a vice. Does that qualify as sensitive?

It seems to me that the vast majority of "sensitive" pics I've seen in recent threads have been of 18-20 year old girls (often in a more anime style of art) standing around in little pink outfits, pouting or smiling.

Nothing wrong with that (at all), but I hardly think that qualifies you as any more of an artist than drawing a barbarian hacking off ogre limbs does. It's in the execution, not the subject matter. Is Rembrant's material "sensitive"? Or Monet's? Or Craig Mullins's?

Just my two cents... but what the hell, I only make one post every four months, and I've never posted a pic, so what do I know?

-shaithis
(Just draw stuff... and post it! Even though every time I see yet another artist who's way, way better than me, I die a little inside... I still love seeing new pics)


Edit - btw Jenn... love the rabbit. And Nova, sensitive or not, that's a fantastic facial expression.

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[Hurri-cane]

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