[~)v(agic~]

If you want a focus and a way to vent anger but without dissrupting your home/your life then do a martial art.. and i mean a real one like say Aikido karate or tai chi / kung fu that teaches you to disaplin your anger and frustration not by restricting it but by understanding it... yes we are all small and we are all lied to by those in power for their own end's .... so what

I can get very angry with myself and other people for seemingly no reson but i can "swollow" it to the point where it does not grow but disspates by just thinking why i am angry and at the same time thinking of things that make me laugh life is too short to be angry or frustrated for reason's out of your controll...

violence is never an answer but sometimes it's all some one can do to express them selves...

I have done martal arts for 7/8 years and it helped me a lot in my youth but i had a very good teacher these are hard to find....

it was never a bout violents in my club or compertions it was about the disaplin / and focus of your mind .. granted i have knowlege on how to hurt people that scares the hell out off me, but I can 9/10 avoid physical reaction to just a bout anything..

I hope in some way this helps even though this toppic has not been posted to for a while

Andy "probaly being weiyered" Allen

[Cypher]

Mmmmmmkay....

::sinking further down into my leather chair, scribbling two more notes in my old, leather notebook, ant turning away from the old vinyl couch, which has heard soo much...::

[Count Zero]

"This is your life, good to the last drop, doesn't get any better than this... This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time. Where you are now, you can't even imagine what the bottom will be like. Only after disaster can we be resurrected, it's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything. Nothing is static, everything is evolving, everything is falling apart. This is your life. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake! You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else! We are all part of the same compost heap. We are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. You are not your bank account, you are not the clothes you wear, you are not the contents of your wallet, you are not your bowel cancer, you are not your caf� lat�, you are not the car you drive, you are not your fucking khakis! You have to give up. You have to give up. You have to realize that someday you will die. Until you know that, you are useless. I say, let me never be complete. I say, may I never be content. I say, deliver me from swedish furniture! I say, deliver me from clever art! I say, deliver me from clear skin and perfect teeth! I say, you have to give up. I say, evolve, and let the chips fall where they may. This is your life. This is your life, doesn't get any better than this. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You have to give up. You have to give up." (edited by your's truly)

Now name that tune!

[Metron]

Fight Club! Good movie. I also used to be an anarchist, but now I'm a capitalist. Anarchy proposes that we have to destroy civilization to rediscover our own nature. I believe that it is illogical to destroy what we have achieved through centuries of innovation. Technology allows us to live as spiritual beings, because we don't have to spend several hours each day just trying to survive (hunting/cooking/harvesting). If we can find a way to destroy the unnatural social system, but keep the highly efficient economic system (free-market), we might just be the first civilization that lasts.

[Affected]

As far as the highly efficient economical system is concerned, keep in mind that our prosperity is based on the oppression of others, and that can never go on for long.

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[imdaking]

The world would probably be alot better place if instead of walking down the street and saying, WATCH WHERE YOUR GOING FOKER! when someone bumps into you, they say, I'm sorry, and you say, Oh I'm fine, its okay. And go on with your day.
If everyone and there mother wasn't such an asshole greedy backstabbing piece of shit the world would be a good place.

[Count Zero]

Haha!
Nice attitude imdaking!
"If everyone else stopped being such assholes the world would be a better place."

I agree, btw.

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[Affected]

Haha! Today I finally made up my mind and decided to refuse doing both military and civil service. That means I'm looking at 197 days in jail. Well, it's more likely going to be an 'open facility': I can study or work outside the facility if I want and so on, and anyhow, the jails here in Finland are pretty humane. And hey, Amnesty might just adopt me as a political prisoner...

Of course, this won't happen for some years.

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[LeChuck]

Whoa,
Not to get too personal, but what did you do?
If you dont mind me asking.

[Affected]

I didn't 'do' anything. Yet. We just have obligatory military/civil service for men here, and I will not stand for that system. Therefore, I will go to jail, despite the fact that the system pretty much violates human rights. In relation to the population, Filand now has as many political prisoners as China... :P

Of course, the jails are probably a lot more humane.

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[Jess]

Compaired to the USA prisons, I'm sure they are a lot more humane. In the women prisons here, the guards rape women, degrate them and so on. In the male prisons, people get killed, raped and beaten every day both by guards and inmates.

....So I'd take on a Finish prison anyday.... Although I don't know why one would want to purpously submit themselves to that...

[Jess]

hmmm um I think this thread has gotten way too long.... let's uhhh let it sink to the bottom....

[Affected]

Yeah, from what I've heard the worst problem in Finnish prisons is boredom. Well, the open facilities anyhow, there are drug problems in prisons, of course, and so on.

For me, it's a question of choosing between violating my beliefs or making sacrificing a bit over 6 months of my life. The solution is obvious to me now.

Oh yeah, you think this thread is long? Over at Topaz Designs forums there's a post that's well over 600 replies long...

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Knowledge is belief and belief is knowledge
http://affected.xs.mw

[Count Zero]

Affected, I envy your conviction. To feel so strongly for a cause that you will go to jail for it, is something I cannot comprehend.
I stand for nothing and nothing has, or ever will, make me "run to the trenches". Just my nature and being I suppose. Only mild emotions for me...
Aah, fuck it.
Now I've sunk back to the original post in this thread.
What goes around comes around I guess...

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[Affected]

Hm, that tends to happen with long threads...

Anyhow, it doesn't seem like such a big sacrifice for me. In part it's also because if I did civilian service that'd take 13 months, and that's just too long. Military service is just not an option, no way.

Something that I've had to think about with this is the question of whether or not a person has the right to defend him/herself, and I've come to the conclusion that the answer is yes, but most of all we have the right to choose NOT to defend ourselves. I think if I took part in our systems of violence my life would be worth nothing, and what reason would I have to live then?

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[Drunken Monkey]

If screamed on by your sarge is worse than being in jail for half a year best luck to you.

[imdaking]

move

Just move... pack up your shit and move !!
SAY SCREW YOU FINLAND... and go .. move.. yea..hmm... go to australia or something.. I dunno...

Sometimes I just want to leave. Like now for example. somewhere... where I can wake up at 11:00am... and say... i don't know what day it is... what month it is... what year.... nor do I care

No worries... be happy !!

foking happiness.. foking school! FOK FOK FOK!

[Affected]

Oh, I know that feeling, king...
For a couple of summers now I've wanted to just put my skates on and go touring the country or something. It's just that I couldn't possibly carry our tent around (It's meant for 4 people...) and I'm not about to pay for hotels and such. And I'd like a friend or two to come along. And besides, rollerblades aren't the best possible method of travelling in Finland, since it rains quite a bit here.

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[Jess]

That's kind of what I've been doing for the past year. (traveling) I was in Arizona last week, and now I've moved to Nebraska. Who knows where I will be next month. Before AZ, it was Arkansas, before that, New Hampshire and Vermont and so on and so forth. I've been just about everywhere in the US. Nothing really exiting. Although New Mexico is beautiful. So is Vermont (I was born there). Vermont, to me, is one of the more natural states we have. I've heard that Montana is nothing short of breathe taking, but I haven't been that way yet. I suppose Alaska would be the most natural state of all, since it's too damn cold there. (ahem LemurX)

Anyway, travelig is great as long as you have a home to go... home... to...

[fragamite]

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there are other ways.. you dont need to go to prison.. they are of course not as much of a statement as saying no their face.

me, i was born on �land, a demilitarizised area between sweden and finland, so i dont have to

[Affected]

Fragamite: such as?
Leaving the country is not an option. I don't want to do that, and that would just be running away. Besides, they might come get me anyway. Moving to �land wouldn't work, I'd have to have lived there since I was 12 or something. Um... That leaves getting exemption based on a medical condition (I do have a history of epilepsy, but that was nothing major and hasn't had any effect on my life for years. I don't even have to take any medcation) or perhaps insanity?
I suppose I could try to pass as insane, but then that would go on my record, and it would just be a way of avoiding service instead of making a statement. Or were you thinking of something else?

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[Metron]

We used to have compulsory military service in South Africa as well. I missed it by a year. I was 16 years old when Mandela was released so all these changes happened about that time. We used to have compulsory military training in all the schools so most high school kids could march, shoot and use a radio. "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo!"
It's interesting to hear about these things from all the different people from all the different countries. Anybody from Uzbekistan? I'd like to visit the birthplace of Abu Jafar Muhammed ibn Musa Al Khowarismi (The father of Algebra). How did I get here again?

[ScoobyDoo]

When I start feeling depressed about life, how short, or long, or bad it is, I can just sit and "move outside of myself" and look at my life from an objective point of view. From another person on the street. Thier perception of me.

Try this.
If you feel insignificant, or "small" or otherwise.

Sit for 1 hour.
Dont do anything.
NOTHING.
Except think, and stare at a clock or watch, to make sure you USE the full hour.

Then think of what you could have done in that hour.

Tell somebody you love them
Listen to a symphony..or Compose one!
Create a lasting beautiful piece of art, or enjoy looking at one.
Smell some flowers.

Feel. It doesnt matter what. Anything.(cold, hot, the wind, the water, the flavor)

Then once youve come up with some examples of how you could have spent that hour, realise HOW many hours you are going to live, and have lived, in your lifetime.
Its incredible what you can accomplish!

Live life.

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[Jess]

You just enlightend me today. I used to think the same way, and somewhere along the line of life my spirt got pretty well dragged down. Now I just go through the motions. I do think about how many hours I'm waisting or killing instead of enjoying or living. It's like they slip through your hands sometimes and you never get them back. But on a lighter note, "There's always today, but never tomarrow...er... how does that go? I'm all confused now

But anyway, I'm doing a lot better... I think I was just staying up too late. I had insomnia and was really frustrated with some things. But it's looking better. I enjoy being and knowing that I'm somebody my daughter looks up to, and rightly so. I don't want her to look at me and see something pathedic or wastefull.