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johnboy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 5:51 pm     Reply with quote
hey, i made this a while back, i know it doenst really look like it takes much talent but i kinda like it, just want to see what you think. oh and im really sorry about the jar jar thing :\ forgive me!

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Ben Barker
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 5:58 pm     Reply with quote
Nobody can trust you now. There is such a thing as reputation. If I were you, I would get a new nickname, or just go away.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:01 pm     Reply with quote
i never actuall said i made it, you all assumed it. i just wanted advice on the... er settings of my filter. yea thats it. the settings chill out everyone. does ti really matter that much, and if it does, oh well.
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Ben Barker
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:03 pm     Reply with quote
We never assumed you made it. We assumed you ran a filter on someone else's artwork, apparently just for the purpose of being an asshole. Not a nice way to make a first impression. I CAN say that the worst thing you can do now is make excuses.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:04 pm     Reply with quote
LOL.
Filter settings!
Excuse accepted!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:05 pm     Reply with quote
Amen Barker.. no matter how good your art is. You are forever scared with the stupid post.. How stupid do you think we are?


and oh yeah.. you smell like poo


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:14 pm     Reply with quote
Usted es un pedazo gordo de crap de la vaca y usted aspira bolas del burro.

Sie verdienen ein smack f�r Sein solch eine Verz�gerung.

Je vous esp�re matrice une mort terrible terrible pour votre stupidit�.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:12 pm     Reply with quote
Heh it's very hard to please me (unless you give me a bottle o' vodka or a bag of Uranium-238) but i kinda like this pic. I wish it had more objects painted/constructed in stis style though. Looks like some 2d game. Theme Hospital ypou know?

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Actially now i remember. It looks like BeOS GUI art.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:23 pm     Reply with quote
How the hell can you have a plugged in NES as well as a TFT monitor? Not possible I tell you!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:53 pm     Reply with quote
The emotional aspects of this piece tend to over-dominate and even draw the viewers eye away from the drastic placement of objects and the *begging* composition.
One has to come to terms with the dynamic implications of such work in order to grasp and fully appreciate its subtle intricacies.

Perhaps smearing fecies on latex might be more *up your alley* so to speak......what say you.....hmmmm?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:15 pm     Reply with quote
I hate you.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:24 pm     Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lukias:
The emotional aspects of this piece tend to over-dominate and even draw the viewers eye away from the drastic placement of objects and the *begging* composition.
One has to come to terms with the dynamic implications of such work in order to grasp and fully appreciate its subtle intricacies.



I have to concur, although I must take issue with the notion of the overdomination of the viewer. If you refer to Roland Barthes' treatise on the Death of the Author, you will find that in this case it is possible, even necessary, to ignore the artist's original intent in the creation of this work. Barthes notes that one might be subject to a degree of non-objectivism to analyze a work in a manner which is "tyrannically centred on the author, his person, his life, his tastes, his passions". In this case, an analysis based on notions of self or "authorship," especially in light of Johnboy's earlier, less sophisticated work, will not yield a satisfactory analysis.

Barthes gives another argument, drawn from the very act of writing in literature itself: "[W]riting is the destruction of every voice, of every point of origin. [It is] the negative where all identity is lost." Because the Author is writing (or drawing, as it were) in the space of the symbolic, he enters his own death. Writing (drawing) is performance: the modern "scriptor", as Barthes calls him, is born simultaneously with the art, instead of preceding it. There is no expression in such a work of art, no unifying "genius" of a personal author: it is not an aggregate of vector and pixel, but "a multi-dimensional space", a plurality, in which a variety of visual iconographies blend and clash. The multiplicity of the image is to be disentangled, not deciphered: an image is a confluence of idea and form, its structure can be followed at every point at every level, but there is no hidden original meaning beneath it.

Thanks for your time.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:26 pm     Reply with quote
how is that a filter? ::shakes head:::
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:26 pm     Reply with quote
Just kidding.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:38 pm     Reply with quote
i was thinking the same thing snake muaha
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:14 pm     Reply with quote
hahahahah u gotta nintendo 8 bit
harsh sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:26 pm     Reply with quote
I'd come up with something *far* better than that......but the thing is......I can't

and now I must reside in the fact that pretending to know something in which I don't only makes me less of a man.

I shall slowly walk the silent hallway of shame and depart with my dignity partially intact.

hey I'm half pissed and that didn't sound half bad!

I think yours may have been a tad better then mine though.......possibly deserving a golf clap *golf clap*

Bravo old bean!....till next time my adversary of true grit.......I salute you!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:28 pm     Reply with quote
Solidtransient:
"crap" is "caca" in Spanish...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:50 pm     Reply with quote
LOL, Francis you freak

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:55 pm     Reply with quote
LMFAO -- you rule, Francis...hehe

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:59 pm     Reply with quote
to hell with those people, i like the stuff in this picture quite alot.



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:18 pm     Reply with quote
Francis,
You're talking out of you ass. Clearly when Barthes refers to a degree of "non-objectivism to analyze a work in a manner which is "tyrannically centred on the author" he he not stating that one must be removed from the creative process in order to fully realize the artists intent. Rather, he is realizing the duality of thought that extists between athour and aduience. It is this kind of nilest, exestensialism that has eroded the very foundation of the humanities and arts of todays culture. That, and you're a big booger head .

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:29 pm     Reply with quote
Hahahahahahahahahaha. My thoughts:
<insert lots of big words here>

You can use your imagination. Believe me, I'm deep, baby. Deep!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:39 pm     Reply with quote
I just cant see any round objects!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:49 pm     Reply with quote
"goodnight, grandpa..."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:04 pm     Reply with quote
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Francis,
You're talking out of you ass. Clearly when Barthes refers to a degree of "non-objectivism to analyze a work in a manner which is "tyrannically centred on the author" he he not stating that one must be removed from the creative process in order to fully realize the artists intent. Rather, he is realizing the duality of thought that extists between athour and aduience. It is this kind of nilest, exestensialism that has eroded the very foundation of the humanities and arts of todays culture. That, and you're a big booger head .




Hm. You bring up an interesting point, which is that regardless of one's philosophical approach to critical analysis, there will nevertheless remain some element of the author-audience duality. If, as you seem to imply, there is an issue with the differing methods of interpretation (vis-a-vis Johnboy's drawing) which have been evidenced here, we must then delve into the realm of hermeneutics in order to completely explore the possibilities.

You might argue that a hermeneutical study is not appropriate in this case, as it is generally limited to analyses of text, and you would be correct in pointing out that hermeneutical study was initially limited (circa 17th century) to biblical exegesis. I would refer you to the work of nineteenth century philosophers Friedrich Schleiermacher and Wilhelm Dilthey, who were responsible for expanding the realm of hermeneutics to include all humanistic endeavors - verbal and nonverbal, historical and current. Dilthey in particular was instrumental in the application of hermeneutics to other disciplines such as literature and history (the Geisteswissenschaften) as well as the physical sciences (the Naturwissenschaften).

Now, assuming that the discussion of the hermeneutics of the critical interpretation of Johnboy's drawing is indeed appropriate, I would have to say, unequivocally that I have way too much time on my hands.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:40 am     Reply with quote
Pixel graphic rocks!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2000 6:04 am     Reply with quote
what other kind of digital graphics are there than pixels?


don't say vectors, it's still pixels you see. duh.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2000 8:33 am     Reply with quote
Oh, it was a JOKE! You weren't supposed to take that seriously!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2000 1:15 pm     Reply with quote
This is the most original peice i've seen in a while I like it.
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