[gigatron]

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Originally posted by Vesuvius:
there are enough lazy bush bashers out there who make up news to suit them, don't be one of them. there are plenty of legit sources you could cite for legit points, do some research though, don't just take the word of someone else with their own political agenda.

if you want to be taken seriously, take your own point serious enough to back them up with a believable source.

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Lol, actually how about this, I lived in Europe and Africa and know how things are there, have been etc... I was in a war as well, etc... Everyone over there is like (and so was I) OMG I want to go to America some day, then I came here loved it for a while but then slowly... slowly started to realize why people who came back where all against US even though they were mocked and questioned why they came back when its everyone's dream to come here... Ah well I wonder what 'legit sources' means to you, CNN? LOL! Anywho I had to post

[[Shizo]]

Tru dat gigatron, same thing around the world.

[Vesuvius]

actually LOL I mean reuters or the New York Times or the BBC or Le Monde or any other respected worldwide news agency/paper.
I don't appreciate your stupid fucking insults that have nothing to do with me, save your smarmy little laugh and your petty barbs for someone who they actually apply to. don't go around assuming I'm an idiot because I want something beyond the word of the 'Canadian Centre for Teaching Peace' which on it's own main page has a disclaimer saying they in no way "represent that the information selected for the CCTP pages is comprehensive, complete, verified or accurate"...
additionally the self-proclaimed 'world socialist website' which only covers news from one slant and which has a vested political interest is hardly a reliable or unbiased source, though it at least does quote some other secondary sources for it's article, making it slightly more respectable and believable.

I in no way believe Bush is a good man or a good president, but as I said, if you want someone to believe a point, give evidence for it that can believed, or else you're asking people to take opinions or hunches as fact.

[ September 07, 2002: Message edited by: Vesuvius ]

[gigatron]

Hmm I guess 'experience' and living in various places that are argued about can't be evidence then.. and those that you listed 'respected' hah.. whatever is on north american soil is still biased for the the north american soil only.. for example 'european' channels here are not really what they are over in europe... i know that for a fact. Gah satelite television... lol i dont need twenty cnn variants...

[[Shizo]]

Hehe chill out, one thing i learned about arguing is that you can (almost) never convience the other side to get your point, however stupid his point is.

[elam]

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slowly started to realize why people who came back where all against US even though they were mocked and questioned why they came back when its everyone's dream to come here

Funny, the immigrants I meet, my stepfather being one of them, love America. Not unconditionaly, but because it is a far better place from where they came in most respects.
Knocking foreign policy and life in America are two different things, dummy.
You're about as credible as your sources, gigatron. War my ass.

True dat, Shizo? Always criticizing, yet your still here. Livin' in the ghetto and co-opting the worst aspects of American culture, nonetheless. You could go back to Russia, nyet?

[Aber]

Gigatron doesn't know what he's talking about.

[gigatron]

Fine you are right, some people will always stick to their opinion and I guess its never easy to convince the other side.. stick to your lovely CNN and other respectable sources...

I don't know what im talking about? You know what i dont wana start a flame war but I've been just about enough around the world, hell I even lived in Libya. And you know what I say to someone like bush or CNN fuck you thats what, if you call propaganda legitimate opinion then go screw yourself, I in fact enjoyed living in Libya even though I was only a refuge there. People were very hospitable, faithful, honest, you name it. Thats one example. Here, imagine you left a briefcase on the street by accident (sheesh assume you did anyways... even though its too rare) well if you did in Libya the next 6 days it will stay there and no one will dare touch it.. here in the US leave it for 5 minutes and it'll be gone forever no trace of it.. and don't call me a dummy. Lets look at something else how about the newly made laws by bushy and his boys. Think about what they are for... he could care less about YOU he cares about his agenda and his personal little war. For example iraq... i met lots of people from iraq, yes most ppl like it here (iraqis) strange isn't it? Yet why? "Because America is a better place" That's whats put into people's minds, you know... when Vikings/North men lived underground, arab countries had architectural marvels. But lets see. how do these marvels disapear, wars? hmm the british empire they were what ruined the world here and there just a few years back and forth.. ya they brought 'civilized manners' and technology to 'primitive' people.. HAH i spit on that, self-interst, i mean even today the british molest certain places they consider as theirs. I mean do you people even look back in history, look at what the british empire did to India for example... Ok im winding off topic.. Today though we have the US, very similar in fact except not as loud in the same manner. Why not 'loud in the same manner' well we have people who are CONVINCED they are absolutely right.. The media for example will only show whats intended to be shown as 'the common goal' but when there is a protest say against afghan attack thats not of course mentioned. Or rallies in palestine by international people not just locals thats not shown... if its not pro-american or pro-israeli. The US is interest driven,... whenever i say that most people are 'aren't all countries' well thats sad.. the government should be for the people and dont we all live on the same God given earth?.. Now the US wants global power, something they supposingly had financially, something they gained by fame in the world wars, something they gained through false aid or false fights against 'evil'. Hah, they stir a little trouble here and there then they jump in and help and become victors.. Thats the scenario now a days. Find a few idiots to stir troubles on each opposing side and BOOM. Then come in later. You want an example that was even mentioned on your lovely CNN? How about they helped the CIA trained the Taliban (gah i could care less anymore i bet the spelling is wrong... heard enough of it), and now they are supposingly kicking the crap out of them. Hmm the discussion is endless i can't concentrate on one topic anymore... i guess thats why u might call me dummy. its true im not entirely sticking to topic but it all relates. If im not mistaken senior bush was head of CIA? Grandpa Bush was a world war money laundring bastage. Junior bush is a real cow boy finishing what his papa started. Or at least hoping to. So i dont see how supporting his actions is right (Yes we started talking about bush right?) Especially if you people have no idea how its over in europe, asia or africa. And I mean being there.. but not just BEING there as a tourist i mean living there for quite a while... Look at CNN and their dumb polls you gotta read them carefully, all the answers on the poll are SO biased its amazing... If you say no there is something else said which is still biased, if you say yes there is something else in mind. Its mind challenging... Varrying topics all relating to each other... I can go on? Lets see war in vietnam also another clear case of "what the hell is the US doing there?" The US has NO RIGHT absoultely ZERO right to be in a country thats not theirs. Look at bosnia massive murders done by serb side, both armed by varrying sources. Now the war is over and somehow its becoming western like... Yugoslavia was a fairly powerful country, the country had research capable of developing nuclear capability but it supposingly never was done. Then ok the US then bombs serbia as well, leaves once again nuclear waste dumps (hence depleted uranium weapons). So ok let me go back, slovenia breaks off becomes quiet, croatia is in war here and there breaks off, bosnia is mass murdered, kosovo mass murders, serbia bombed, hmm that leaves yugoslavia long gone. Iraq hmm anyone ever been to the iraqi airport? no? Ah well, you see its quite a marvel the building was quite interesting out of marble is that the word in english? Ah and what about the dam that was being built that was to be one of the biggest in the world, nah that was probably destroyed, but these are just little thaughts of people that might have been there, these are no more. Hmm i can keep babbling on of little 'useless' things. How about cuba? No one gives it any thaught now? Or maybe some other 'small meaningless' countries which became the US' drug imports, or weapon smuggling houses, or even fruit export only countries (which country was it that was like dubbed bannana country). Oh wait im babbling again no proof. Oh proof oh yes, what IS proof? Hmm im in DEEP thaught here (ooh ya) is proof people suffering? Is proof a piece of paper that was written by some anally retarded politician? Something that some newsreporter said on CNN? I don't know :/ The message is lost. but once again gig babbled on about meaningless little clues about things that dont concern people who are enjoying themselves here and who could only care about their own ass. So go on support bush (the irony in this?) Fifty years from now maybe hmm probably earlier people will look back and say.. what the hell were these people thinking? Much like how we look at the christian crusades back a few hmm.. ah well dates dont matter hah. Its all the same things dont change do they. I like the quote "Repeating the future". Hmm there was something else i wanted to rant about damn it so hard to think of now.. oh yes im confused myself now, what are we talking about.. wow.. such a useless rant, since you'll reply with either a long paragraph of bashing or a small 'you dont know what ur talking about' or just a smiley depicting uh huh this guy is crazy, well i could care less, your deeds to yourself my deeds to myself. Time will tell though, all 'great' empires fell anyways... hah oh yes i wanted to mention isnt it ironic that absolutely no one supports the US and Israel? The only supporter is Britain.. nah thats irelavent. But who knows maybe a few countries will be bought out with a big checque... ah well end rant *click* much better, so go ahead bash my useless scrambled text wow i bet its like ten pages, hey looky here im talking useless talk weeee (I should get hired for CNN i can go on and on) *sarcasm?*

[gigatron]

*awaits for flaming war or dumb remarks intending to be bashed or maybe no one cares no more and wont reply yay*

[gigatron]

Also about the person who quoted me what I meant was, in my mother-country when people came back from America they were questioned, what the hell is wrong with you why come back? When they made supposingly dumb ass remarks everyone was like bashing them, i mean it was always the goal to go to america. When i was like 4 I was always "I wana go to america some day!" I seriously did.. hell I actually had just enough in my home, but somehow i wanted to go to america :/ Then when i came I was mocked being an immigrant in the first place.. i dont get that part first... yet i still liked it but then i grew tired of television-propaganda somehow i watch it everyday, i mean certain things i can see right through but... it gets anoying. I mean that tape of a dog being sufficated that was just disgusting and it was more then likely manufactured. Then tapes shown of afghanis training camps, err then it should be also illegal to have tapes of american-cia training camps as well! Sheesh those people were at war for 20 years those could be any tape! Ah well im starting another rant :/

[Aber]

Shutup

[Aber]

And you are so steriotypical of America, the country is so fucking diverse and you have the ability to wrap it up in a few sentences. I'd call the place most of a stitched together quilt of every other country. It has people from CANADA, Europe, AFRICA, Asia, and every other place. So what do people come to it then? Because it sucks? Well, according to you. Hey man, go ahead and keep writing 10 page rants about how you are the know-it-all god because you have lived in a few other countries. YOu are the only one here making profound statements with sources being socialist and peace sites. But "every news source in America is wrong!" GOOD WAY TO WRAP THAT LITTLE HOLE UP. Everyone else has only said to watch what you fucking say.

If you are so convinced America is such a crappy place and it's leader sucks, then why do you keep constantly annoying us with it!

[Aber]

Arg, forget it. No way it turning you're warped little mind around.

[Vesuvius]

to clarify a few small things without being drawn in further:
a.) you keep referring to my love of CNN, I do not like, nor do I use CNN and I AM aware of their censorship during the US 'war' in Afghanistan.
b.) you, as much as you like to ignore my points, cannot fault me for distrusting the word of a site which explicitly (as I earlier pointed out) states that what it reports is not always true and usually gleaned from reporting from other sources anyways
c.) I don't watch tv news, and I go to the UK version of the BBC website. Reuters is German. claim all you like that I only watch
US propaganda, but I don't.
d.) I don't only read news from news sites. reliable organizations, like amnesty international, doctors without borders, the U.N., etc. are all sources I listen to, and I like to verify what I read from multiple sources.
e.) I said before twice but because I don't unquestioningly accept your 'sources' you refuse to believe it... I do not like the Bush administration and I do see them doing many bad things.

if you accept the words of extreme or unprofessional groups on faith, then you're no better than the idiots who follow Bush on faith because he says that he's righteous. honestly, wanting a fleshed-out version of the truth from sources that can be trusted to research their info is a good thing, and the degree to which you need to belittle and insult those who look for EVIDENCE (or at least concurring reports from reliable sources) shows how immature you are.

you're asking us to follow random sources blindly, I'm asking for the truth, or at least a reason why I should believe.

[Rat]

I pose this question: Who is the bigger terrorist, the tiny minority who opposes, and takes action against the USofA by killing a tiny percentage of its total civilian population (2500 or so people, I b'lieve mom told me), or the huge country who retaliates against that attack by bombing and wiping out a larger portion (3000 or so) of the civilians of a smaller country with a much smaller population?

Oh...and a couple things, that bigger, stronger country bombed a wedding party, and killed four Canadian soldiers. The smaller attacked the larger once. On one day. Yes, they destroyed two of the most important buildings in America, and damaged another. But then, this bigger country, America, is more or less bent on wiping out anyone who opposes them (the "terrorists").

[Aber]

Hey I know, why don't you take the time spent in explaining how America is so wrong in everything, and talk about what it should be doing with such things as Foreign affair, war, and it's domestic issues. Come on, you seem to have all the 100% certified-ive-lived-everywhere-i-know-everything perspective. Explain how the american-proganda news stations like cnn should change, and how bush could be a better president. I mean certainly everything america about is so wrong, and everyone in the country spits on the ground they walk on, all foreign people who move hate it. Really, I would like to know from your vast bank of wisdom and knowledge, gigatron.

[gigatron]

If you want hard evidence you might start with the history books on how each empire lived and died, things such as the crusades and what they managed. Then if you want more current events look at the various scandals and the 'newer wars' that are fought around the world. It has more then enough to say, even 1984 a fictional book and that article that i got flamed about (along with other people who acknoledged it) are enough to open your eyes. You want hard facts? Man its like you are calling war on your own soil. Its like you are provocking others in that manner 'give me proof'. Sept 11 was tragic for many people, but what if it happend earlier? What if it happend later? What if it didnt happen at all? Would it haven awoken people even a little bit? Besides living in their innoscent jar. You keep asking for proof on all the talk and articles. Does hard fact and proof equal something that politicians tell you? Or other people? I dont know anymore :/ Shizo is pretty right although im not trying to really CONVINCE you stick to your opinion if you will *phone+end rant*

[J Bradford]

I love my country, but I fear my goverment!

[Snakebyte]

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Originally posted by Rat:
I pose this question: Who is the bigger terrorist, the tiny minority who opposes, and takes action against the USofA by killing a tiny percentage of its total civilian population (2500 or so people, I b'lieve mom told me), or the huge country who retaliates against that attack by bombing and wiping out a larger portion (3000 or so) of the civilians of a smaller country with a much smaller population?

Oh...and a couple things, that bigger, stronger country bombed a wedding party, and killed four Canadian soldiers. The smaller attacked the larger once. On one day. Yes, they destroyed two of the most important buildings in America, and damaged another. But then, this bigger country, America, is more or less bent on wiping out anyone who opposes them (the "terrorists").

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Rat��
Do you believe American Bombers flew overhead looked down and thought, hey look a wedding, hey bob, 10 points for every Afghan you kill!!

There was a reason they bombed, what I don�t know, but I�m sure it wasn�t for spite.

null�America, is more or less bent on wiping out anyone who opposes them� Well, This smaller country, is hell bent on eliminating all infidels (that includes YOU).

I would continue pointing out the flaw in your logic but I know there is nothing I can say that will convince you or anyone why you are wrong.

Throw all the counter points you wish, I too am set in my ways, and I believe that there as to be a better way, but going after these Terrorist is the right thing.

Let me ask you this: if these terrorist had took down two of your most important buildings killing 2800 people what would Canada do (or want to do)�. Try to talk nicely to the terrorist asking them not to do it again? Use your super secret pinpoint accurate satellite that shoots lasers preventing the accidental death of innocent citizens?

[elam]

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The smaller attacked the larger once

Bin-Laden was responsible for a number of attacks against Americans as far back as 1993, including the killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia, Embassy bombings in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, which killed over 200(mostly muslim) people, the bombing of the Khobar military base in Saudia Arabia which killed 19 people, and the bombing of the U.S.S Cole.
Ignorance is Bliss eh, Rat?

As for a historical perspective, Islam has a proud history of conquest. From it's inception, it's as violent and arrogant as anything the West or any other civilization has produced.

In fact, Bin Laden's whole ideology is based on the glory of the Islamic past. Too bad the Islamic and in particular the Arab world is fundamentaly backwards.

Oh, and Vesuvius, I find the Asia Times and National Public Radio to be an excellent source of objective reporting.

I'm glad your briefcase doesn't get stolen in Libya, gigatron. That's because your fucking hand would get chopped off. You can't vote, can't get a decent job, and the country is ripe with corruption. And the government plants bombs on 747's. Great place.


It's called the return key gigatron. Use it.

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: elam ]

[[Shizo]]

Rat is saying that WTC wasn't an attack that must now be followed by revenge, it was revenge that followed many previous attacks (or direct/indirect oppressions i must say).
Terrorists are who? A small bunch of people who are willing to revenge something that has been done before. They're not trying to take over the world as leaders by blowing things up, they're trying to hurt back.

That's the situation in Israel/Palestine. Palestine doesn't have a big army, but people are war-like and very religious. That's why you see Palestinian terrorists blowing themselves up in Israel to do damage to the agressors. And to Israel military they are the agressors so they send in tanks and bombers and hit back. So it's going back and forth..

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: [Shizo] ]

[Snakebyte]

elam Lets not forget his first atempt at taking down the WTC in 93...

[Rat]

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Originally posted by Snakebyte:
Let me ask you this: if these terrorist had took down two of your most important buildings killing 2800 people what would Canada do (or want to do)�. Try to talk nicely to the terrorist asking them not to do it again? Use your super secret pinpoint accurate satellite that shoots lasers preventing the accidental death of innocent citizens?

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I don't care what Canada would do. Honestly, I don't care what any country would do. I wouldn't agree with going and killing thousands of innocent people, just for one man, or a small group of people. I don't think what happened on 9/11 was right. But I know for a fact that I won't be watching any of the "commemorate the heroes of 9/11" bullshit on TV. I also don't think what the American govt. is doing in the Middle East right now is the right thing to do. The best way to eliminate terrorism is not to attack people, but to understand them. Know why they do what they do, and change. The USA is the biggest bully currently in this world.

I would continue, but I'm currently being kicked off the computer.

PS. I know my logic is "flawed". I never said it wasn't. I'm not perfect. I believe what I want to believe, and not what people tell me to. I'm no fan of the American government. Or of the Canadian one. Or of all the ones in the Middle East. But I do believe that killing people for no particular reason except that you feel like it is wrong.

*moves to appoint an intelligent grandmother who isn't afraid to smack a grown man around as the ruler of the world*

[Snakebyte]

Well, if I�m not mistaken these people follow the more violent version of the Koran which states that ALL infidels MUST die, at the heart of it all THAT is why they attacked us AND other nations. These people kill there own citizens and deny them of all rights and treat women like animals.
It�s unfortunate that innocent people get killed but if things are left as they were more people would be put to death in the long run.

Don�t get me wrong, I don�t care much for the Govt much ether but its better than anarchy. (and stubbing your toe)

[social drone]

oh shut up.

the more violent version of my ass...
you ever read the bible? the new testament and old testament alike call for the killing of "infidels."

an infidel is someone who has no religious beliefs. or who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle.

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These people kill there own citizens and deny them of all rights and treat women like animals.

in the u.s.a. women didnt have the right to vote untill when, the 1920's? and its not like the u.s.a. doesnt have a long track record of killing its own citizens.


religion did not cause the wtc to come under attack.

from what ive read and heard from our military press releases and f.b.i. counter-terrorism reports, the al quesso had been listening in on a failing oil pipeline negotiation with the taliban...when u.s.a. and british forces started to organize military troops with the purpose to overthrow the taliban, the terrorists used the growing military presence as an excuse to launch their attack.

im not saying this, bush is not saying this, some crazy in a shed in montana is not saying this...high ranking officals in the u.s. millitary and f.b.i. are...saying...this.

now the sept 11th attack may not have been a direct result of the u.s. and british planning to overthrow the taliban, but it most certainly is a factor.

im all for squashing terrorism where ever it stands, but the whole war on terra is a fvccant joke. especially when we have the state sponscered "school of americas" training the next generation of osama bin ladens sitting pretty in our own backyard.


bla bla
maybe instead of bush i think the supreme court should be impeached...they are the ones who ruled in favor of changing florida state law in mid-election to hand bush the presidency

dont get me wrong i would like to see the bush administration impeached as well...from jeb and kathy to cheney ashcroft and shrub himself...

[gigatron]

Hmm im sorry did that anger you? I am not hating anyone just trying to be open. In fact you might find this amusing but those 'stiched together' groups usually when asked would say that they are american not, italian, arab, or whatever, in canada though people will say they are what they are.. Also funny.. how you say i wrap it up in a few sentences, i thaught i would be called dumb to try, its not quite possible like i said its too much that must be discussed... indeed... Sigh its pointless to talk to people like abel.. heh i found that funny using that name i mean. anyways shizo ur so right, its not possible. Ah well i rather wrap this up since i see that you will run your road ill run mine. I just dont know what to say anymore to people i sorta lost the will to argue over these matters since people usually settle one island and dont wana budge from it. I mean where's the learning in life here :P You are not being open at all, you are just being like 'Go screw yourself and your opinion we dont care what you say' Hmm when people dont know something they are in fear of it.. the way bush and his counterparts treat that is 'destroy it and ask questions later'... so be it... Making statements from socialist and peace sites? heh.. if there were war sites would you listen to them? I am just trying to be open and listen to all sources and make an opinion. You probably didnt even read those sites that malek posted :/ But you prejudged them (more then likely) and settled for your trusty american news... OH yes there was something I wanted to mention in my huge rant but forgot, you know america was built upon treatery and rebellion, people like washington were labeled as traitors by the british.. now.. and now they are called patriots. Same goes for israel getting the land 'back' The whole zionist movement and all.. hmm also isnt this country based on free speech? I dont know bushy doesnt seem to like that. Its like sure go ahead but as long as its not against me. And ill stop talking like i said your deeds to yourslef my deeds to myself. We are all in a school of life from death to birth and hmm you seem not to be open to new opinion ah well. I wonder how you'd feel if you were being bombed for even one day in palestine by israeli (US) apaches, f16s, etc... I am sure your opinion would change drastically. How you think is well.. living by the saying 'ignorance is bliss' i really hate that.. most people are unaware of the outside world except what is shown to them its like in one of those movies heh.. well the the matrix i guess is the latest movie of that sort, people just live but they dont know whats outside. I doubt its shown on american television but if you want 'proof' how the stiched together group is.. well how about this, just a few days ago actually i watched the news at 11 and there was a report of 3 arab families, first person was a pro-american arab he loved america and all the usual, very partiotic but being arab, it didnt matter, talk about non-racist huh? He was on a plane and he noticed some person talking to a flight attendant that person felt uncomfortable with an arab and he was deported from the plane... WTF? Cmon.. The next person was a well respected professor with a PHd, Dr. .. yousef i think it was God i cant remember... anyways he got fired and i think recently deported because he was pro-palestinean.. how it got started some students and parents sent various mails to the school, they were uncofortable with him, people threatened him, he was on fox news one day, the person was like "If i were the CIA I would be watching YOU, why should i like you, blabla, you are arab so why not watch you" Something of that matter.. The next family totally innoscent man, got arrested in 97'~ (no reason if i reiemeber right) then freed then one morning a week or so after sept 11 he got arrested again.. no reason just cause he was arab.. ya nice stiched wool clothing, ya but the dog pissed on it. Cmon ... for God's sake you call that justice and war on terror? Please...

[Rinaldo]

couldn't agree with you more gigatron (on your main points

although none of this has much to do with Bush as a single person really. he is more of a pupet than anything.

the ammount of conditioning that people get from mainstream tv/media is really underplayed.
people generaly can't see the forest for the trees, it's just the way we are, but it's getting a lot worse lately in places like america and australia etc.
the level of indirect violence/war that everyone here most likely does as part of their everyday life is just staggering. it's just so commonplace that no one realises. it's not just the govenment/foregn policy it's the whole structure of the world atm. everyone wants to cover their ass. period.

as for "This whole forum is becoming some sort of spawning pool for Orwellian paranoid conspiracists"
look at 1984 and look at what is happening in the world. it's really not that far off. you gotta understand that you'll never see much of the oppresion. it all seems normal to the point where you are offended when someone says otherwise. that is kinda the point of the book.

getting caught up in the details of nitty little disputes of fact is just pointless. look at the big picture, and then compare it to other historic events. forget the little excuses that everyone uses to feel better about killing each other, and things start to look pretty fucked up.


blah, please flame me.

[gigatron]

Wow thanks someone understands me at least a little bit Also there was a 1984 post and ppl flamed me if i remember right about mentioning and also aproving of some article which compared today and the book/movie. Lol welcome to the get flamed discussion #3290 heh Ah well ill give this a rest, its pointless arguing, hmm speaking of that.. i feel bad for arguing, when i look at cnn ppl argue what should be done.. hah they decide for themselves but i mean they discuss and in reality DONT do much (say help others around world) sure they would but like if its interest-driven. Heh recently they started discussions about whether people want the new anti iraqi war, most sane ppl said no, the rest joined in sorta after the question was "will you go to war if its to affect america financially" when ppl answered no they started these 'intellectual arguments' claiming that AFTER the war oil prices will drastically drop (LOL just think about that ... man lol) Ah well :/ Hopeless to just keep ranting hehe i love ranting

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: gigatron ]

[malakyte]

I know this is an immature comment but hey, it's fun!

I like Bin Laden, at least he doesn't go to McDonald's drive thru everyday for a big fat peice of shit on a bun.

We can be such blind pigs. I'm proud to not be one of them.

[Snakebyte]

Well, I can see him with a Happy Meal, him and his top Al-Qaeda people munching on fries complaining about there melting ice-cream.