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Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

I am sick and tired of famous people being found not guilty of crimes that (it appears) they are guilty of. OR, that the average fool would be guilty in two days and that would be that. If you are rich, a rap star, a celebrity or whatever, it is wrong !

If you didn't have money (duh, or you were poor), you would be guilty and locked up. You wouldnt have the famous lawyer that raps to the jury or the publicist that calls the media consultants to clean your image. Average people are screwed if they are charged with the same crime a 'celebrity' is charged with, and it SUCKS !!!!!!!

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Freddio · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:42 pm

you silly little boy....

you get suked into how the media paints these celebrities..

they all paint them as guilty...

they get off because they have good laweys and most often than not are not guilty..

Stuntcockj · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:45 pm

Ah in a perfect world...

Thats just one of the many reasons the US is so great. Actually, I really dislike the fact that OJ got off and completely disagree with several other celebrity case rulings. But thats what the free world is all about isn't it? The freedom to commit crimes. The freedom to pay off judges and jurers(sp). The freedom to get the best god damned attorney possible. The freedom to induct the most ignorant jurers possible. Ah freedom, yeah its a great thing. Besides everyone knows that once you get celeb status you can do whatever the hell you want so it really shouldnt be anything to get all pissy about.

Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

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Originally posted by Freddio:
you silly little boy....

you get suked into how the media paints these celebrities..

they all paint them as guilty...

they get off because they have good laweys and most often than not are not guilty..

Freddio: Don't call someone 'BOY' if you don't know how old they are, it is rude.

As a reference point: I was an exchange student in Australia in 1984 (Maitland NSW, west of New Castle and north of Sydney)

The media can do what they want, say what they want and create any image they want. The simple fact is that money is power and power creates a different truth then the common people can afford. This is a universal truth on the entire planet, and is probably not going to change, ever.

People that are accused of crimes are guilty of them more times then they are not in a semi reasonable society. We can all imagine places (Irag, Algeria, Uganda, etc) that are not so reasonable. But the US and Australia are considered at least semi-reasonable.

I dont like the idea that money buys innocence. Please keep in mind I can prove this point for US celebrities and for Australian celebrities just as easy. So I dont think this is the media paiting anyone anywhere. The fact is money is power and power corrupts and corruption creates a truth that is convenient, end of story.

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Originally posted by Stuntcockj:
Ah in a perfect world...

Thats just one of the many reasons the US is so great. Actually, I really dislike the fact that OJ got off and completely disagree with several other celebrity case rulings. But thats what the free world is all about isn't it? The freedom to commit crimes. The freedom to pay off judges and jurers(sp). The freedom to get the best god damned attorney possible. The freedom to induct the most ignorant jurers possible. Ah freedom, yeah its a great thing. Besides everyone knows that once you get celeb status you can do whatever the hell you want so it really shouldnt be anything to get all pissy about.

As for getting all pissy, get over it, whatever, I will too.

[This message has been edited by Dthind (edited March 16, 2001).]

Ben Barker · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:14 pm

Believe it or not, OJ did not escape conviction because he is famous. He did it because the prosecution really, really screwed up big time.

And the media does constantly paint people as guilty. It makes me sick to watch the news and see how much they take one side or another. Look at Richard Jewel, the security guard who, according to the frontpage stories in hundreds of newspapers, absolutely did plant a bomb at Olympic Park in Atlanta. Of course later, after the man had lost his job, his wife, and his house, no evidence was found. It made backpage sidebars all over the country.

The only reason I see rich and famous people getting off is because they can afford great lawyers, and people to help them "stuff the dead hooker in the trunk" (to coin my own expression).

Ian · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:34 pm

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Freddio: Don't call someone 'BOY' if you don't know how old they are, it is rude.

BOY! DAMMIT, BOY! GO BRUSH YOU'RE TEETH, BOY!

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Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

quote:
Originally posted by Ian:
BOY! DAMMIT, BOY! GO BRUSH YOU'RE TEETH, BOY!

Boring...Boring...Boring...

social drone · member Member # Joined: 12 Mar 2001 Posts: 120

1)the media can not say or do anything it wants
2)its innocent untill proven guilty
3)there is no such thing as a "semi reasonable society"
4)celebrities are dog shit that entertain us
5)most of europe needs a bath
6)usa doesnt have madcow and that hoof and mouth shit, so ha!
7)not all americans are fat
8)not all americans are stupid
9)i would bet most people in the usa dont give one shit about australia, much less know who their celebrities are.
10)Dthinds bitch ass is pale. paler than a motherfucker

DirtyDigger · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:36 am

Here's the solution if you don't want to be a poor slob in jail.

Work hard and smart, take risks, make a shitload of cash and then you won't have to worry about it.

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Ragnarok · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:03 am

Is that the vision of justice you have?
The one who has more money will have the justice by his side, but hey, it's ok because he worked hard for getting that money.

Isn't justice an ideal? Aren't all the human beings equal when they are called to the justice?

Giant Hamster · member Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782

All humans aren't equal...you have bad breath.

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Pat · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:28 am

Hrm. If you think people who've got a lot of money and fame only get off in the U.S., you're being naive. This is an injustice which happens in *all* countries. These types of cases are highly publicized in the U.S. --which just begs the "leniant prosecution" charge; however this publicity also draws a LOT of scrutiny. When the world is watching and reporters just begging for the mere hint of scandal, you can bet the boys in legal are staying honest. Besides, don't forget we like the give our citizens the benefit of the doubt by considering them innocent until proven guilty. Frankly, the injustice here appears that you've already made up your mind concering their guilt and condemned both them and our justice system.

-Pat

Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

social drone: wow you can count to ten, did your momma help you ?

DirtyDigger: thanks, I know that, this was just a rant. ps easier said then done (making a shitload of cash)

Ragnarok: No it is not my vision of justice at all, it was just an opinion one day, out of many. Justice is an ideal, unfortunatley.

Giant Hamster: you had potential, until you opened your mouth.

Pat: Not naive, disapointed, I agree with most of what you say.

Ragnarok · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:41 am

Ok, maybe I didn't expressed myself the way I wanted to.
In the US people with more money get much better lawyers. That means that they can be set as innocent easier.
I think everybody should have the same opportunities at this. What's the best way to go? I don't know. But this one doesn't seem very good, or am I missing something?

social drone · member Member # Joined: 12 Mar 2001 Posts: 120

Dflabd shut your piehole

Affected · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:13 pm

..and the intellect of the drone just shines. Head for the light, people!

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Usually the media makes it such a big deal, not really the courts. If a regular person (not a celebrity) kills a lot of people, or in some morbid way, they can achieve just as much publicity as a celebrity (eg. domer, manson, bundy).

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Giant Hamster · member Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782

atleast I had potential at one point or another...you on the other hand were a total loss.

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Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

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Originally posted by Giant Hamster:
atleast I had potential at one point or another...you on the other hand were a total loss.

Keep that belief, you will go far....

Giant Hamster · member Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782

Clever.

But I must ask, since it's confusing me.
Why are you attacking me in the slightest that you are? When did I attack you?

If your lovely comment to me was a retort to what I said earlier about bad breath, then I feel you need to read the replies to your post again; for I was not adressing you when I said that. I was joking to Ragnarok with his "Aren't all humans equal" Statement.

So please, moo.

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Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

Giant Hamster, If that is the case, my bad.

social drone · member Member # Joined: 12 Mar 2001 Posts: 120

in my opinion the u.s.a. has the best court system there is. you are making rash judgements because some biased news network fed you a load of shit. fox, cnn, nbc, msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, and a bunch of others: flat out, report misinformation.

last year one of the number one censored news stories in the u.s.a. was the sharp decline of world news on u.s. t.v. networks. im sure one of this years top censored news stories will be, the increasing misinformation and editorialization of american news media.

dthind, if you believe puff daddy should be charged with a crime just because you are tired of famous people being found not guilty. then it would appear to me at least, that you are a complete moron.

maybe you would prefer we go back to the time of the witch trials? maybe the crusades

Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

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Originally posted by social drone:
in my opinion the u.s.a. has the best court system there is. you are making rash judgements because some biased news network fed you a load of shit. fox, cnn, nbc, msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, and a bunch of others: flat out, report misinformation.

last year one of the number one censored news stories in the u.s.a. was the sharp decline of world news on u.s. t.v. networks. im sure one of this years top censored news stories will be, the increasing misinformation and editorialization of american news media.

dthind, if you believe puff daddy should be charged with a crime just because you are tired of famous people being found not guilty. then it would appear to me at least, that you are a complete moron.

maybe you would prefer we go back to the time of the witch trials? maybe the crusades

To clarify, try to be cool and not make this personal. And I am pleased to see two of your first four posts are attacks at others, you really impress me with that alone, welcome to the board.

I hope we dont have to see anymore celebrity trash trials on TV, but I don't own a network. TV in the US should have news not sensationnalism (like celebrity trials), but it sells.

Keep in mind we are now debating a stupid rant from a frustrated moment about an inconsequential semi-news item.

If you think you would have received the same fair trial as (based on your example) Puff Daddy, you are wrong. You can't afford his level of legal team.

That bothers me. I do not have anything against the legal system in the US, as much as I dislike how money can influence things and being famous changes the people are dealt with. By the Way, this is a world truth, not just in the US. Money and fame creates truth and money is power EVERYWHERE.

Let this die, it is not important, no one cares, especially me at this point.

Say what you want attack me, or anyone else, this thread is DEAD !

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social drone · member Member # Joined: 12 Mar 2001 Posts: 120

haha...ok shit, if no one cared you wouldnt have posted a responce. and there you go with the judgments again, for all you know i am in the apex of levels. umm...get this straight hehe, i could care less what pleases or displeases you. and the fact that i could impress anything apon you, says to me that you are a tool.