[Basement bound]

This is a thread started for some personal research reasons. Please if you have anything to contribute to the topic, feel free. If you know of anyone that could contribute to this topic pass the message along. Please e-mail this to them. with my e-mail ([email protected]) linked to it.

Are there any ART TEACHERS out there? If so go to question #1.
Otherwise all STUDENTS go to question #4.

Q1. Do you use this forum for just personal use or for do you also use it for the development of your program?

Q2. Do you have students come here for help other than yourself?

Q3. Are Art forums in your view a possable/important tool?

Students

Q4. As a student do you use this or any other art forum to devlop pieces for school?

Q5. As a student does your teacher know of your use of Art forums?

Q6. Have you ever suggested to your teacher that the use of an Art forum could be benifical, to the teacher and their students?


Thanks
JA

[xXxPZxXx]

I am a student...

No I have never used this to develop something for school.

No she does not

no I have not

I like to think of this as my own personal place for motivation and inspiration. I tell very few people about it =D

[FireFry]

Q#4 - No
Q#5 - No
Q#6 - No

[J Bradford]

I am a student.

Q4: No
Q5: No
Q6: No

[jcFIG]

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Originally posted by Basement bound:


...Students

Q4. As a student do you use this or any other art forum to devlop pieces for school?

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Yes I actually do

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Originally posted by Basement bound:

Q5. As a student does your teacher know of your use of Art forums?

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No, I prefer to keep it to myself although I wouldn't mind telling the teachers whose work I admire.

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Originally posted by Basement bound:

Q6. Have you ever suggested to your teacher that the use of an Art forum could be benifical, to the teacher and their students?

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Nope, but I will suggest it to my department chair tommorrow because I was thinking of this very same thing last weekend.

Later.

[Brain]

Student: Yes, no and no.

[Socar MYLES]

4. Yes, I occasionally post my schoolwork online--mostly just digital paintings, though. I don't often post my pen drawings or oil paintings online. (Well, I WANT to post my oils, but they don't fit in my scanner, and I can't photograph them myself.) I find I get the best critique on digital work online, but as far as inks/other traditional work goes, I can get better input from people who have actually seen the work--not just on a screen.

5. Most of my teachers don't have much respect for my work, more because it's illustrative rather than 'fine art' than because I do some digital work, though. They often say things like "Oh, well, it's a very good ILLUSTRATION, but I don't know how to critique that." So I've told most of my teachers at one time and another to look at some of the online forums to see how people critique this type of work. In a couple of cases, it did help, but most professors seem more interested in talking about theme and meaning, while I'm still at the stage of wanting to hear about technique. Personally, I'm much more interested in composition than in any other technical challenge, even to the point that I often sacrifice realism so that the general arrangement of the picture looks better. (Odd light sources, mostly; occasionally other things...hair that stays still while the clothing flaps in the breeze, spines that rotate more than they have any business doing, that sort of thing). So I'm interested in hearing how I'm doing on that front; if there are any weak areas, anything that jars the eye, disrupts the image. I've only got one teacher who's got anything useful to say on that front. I've tried to gently suggest that other professors try looking on forums for examples of better illustrations than mine, so they've got some yardstick to hold me against. Unfortunately, with one or two notable exceptions, most of the teachers I've had just haven't had the kind of commitment that would be necessary for them to research areas which might benefit individual students. I'm not knocking the school I attend--it's got a good reputation, and a handful of absolutely stellar teachers. Unfortunately, they also have their share of people who don't take the job very seriously. (One of whom is waging war on me this term, annoyingly enough!)

6. I did make that suggestion to a teacher I had for a digital media class last year, but nothing ever came of it. I'm not sure whether it's the Internet that's not taken seriously or the opinions of students...but I've just never had much luck with teachers and forums. It's difficult enough just to get them to answer e-mails.

(I'm a little annoyed with a couple of teachers at my school at the moment...one of them has my work and won't give it back, although I can't proceed very well without it, and another is just virtually unreachable.)

[Basement bound]

Thank you everyone for you comments. Gee, I wish some of them were longer responses. It is helpful to get the perspective of others. I understand that it is a fun and private thing for some, yet I see some very benifical elements to this system.

Might I suggest that a forum that might be created for university/high school students be used for in progress critiques before the final critique?


Thanks again for your time.
JA

[Ahcri]

Q4: no
Q5: yes
Q6: no

[Daniel R]

Hi, i'm a student in a belgian school of infographics.

Q4. As a student do you use this or any other art forum to devlop pieces for school?

I'm a new member and i didn't have the occasion to do it. But i think i will use this forum for shool projects too. The only problem is that most of the works i have now are not really what this forum is for. I mean here you find drawings and paintings and i have to make very different things like 3d animations, interfaces for cd-roms, and pao,...
These are long and complex projects, and forums like this one are good to show the work in progress in one picture, but not on one entire project: too complex to be well understanded an well-critiqued.

Q5. As a student does your teacher know of your use of Art forums?

No, i don't want to keep it to myself, i only didn't have the occasion to speak about it. I don't think teachers will be really interested, because my teachers are not interested about video games, and such things.
Maybe some students but most of them don't understand english.
(my school is rather about pao, multimedia, trad&3d animation and tv related things. There's no specialisation, it gives you a general formation i think it's a good thing to be polyvalent. This forum is too specific for them).

Q6. Have you ever suggested to your teacher that the use of an Art forum could be benifical, to the teacher and their students?

I suggested one year ago to make one and they made it. But i think it's really under-used. It's a shame because we all work on computers and most of us have an internet connexion !
It's used to post comments about some websites, or if anybody have a technical problem with a program, he uses it, and for general discussions about infographics, multimedia, and so on.
But during more than one year of existence, i think it was used only once or two times by someone to post a work in progress !!!
The reason why i don't use it myself is that i think it won't be "understanded" nor "accepted". Also because of my style and my interests that aren't always accepted in my school (i like mythology, romantic-fantastic-dark-gothic things, black metal, things that are linked with occultism, etc...and it's not the "style" of the teachers. I have the same problem as Socar Myles: teachers don't -want- to understand your style)

Anyway, this topic made me think how good it would be to have students post their work and personal projects on the forum we already have, i'll try to motivate them.

[ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Daniel R ]

[ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Daniel R ]

[taff]

q4: not yet.
q5: no
q6: no

but i am still not at college, just talking about the normal teachers.

[Daniel R]

Yesterday, i chatted with a friend of my school on msn messenger (sort of icq) and i asked him to go to my website and critique some of my works. He has strong artistic skills and i thought it will be very constructive.

He went on my website but he refused to critique my work. He said "how can i critique your work ? It's your art, your style". Then he beagan to tell me whant he likes, but not what he doesn't like.

Why ?

I think it's simple: it's easier to critique the work of other people (or to be critiqued) when you *don't really know them*
You have "nothing to loose". He had something to loose: maybe he was affraid of my reaction... he didn't want to take the risk to create bad relations.

Maybe that's why school art forums have no big success ? Everybody is close to everybody in a school... And in case of flames, there will be no moderator to erase the "message".

[ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Daniel R ]

[Basement bound]

Wow thanks for you 'spillage' if you will. Helpful comments and insight. I just remember from my years at University(thinking of returning) we had critiques at the end and never while we were in the progress. That is okay, but because of the busy schedule we never really went back to improve our stuff. This idea of a forum would be not just for one school or course section. It would be for a Universities Fine Arts Faculty, or a State/Province district(Universtiy or Jr/Highschool.

I don't think that Teachers don't care, well okay some don't care. I think that they are overloaded with work, and are under paid and under funded.

JA

[Daniel R]

Hi, this topic made me think a lot.
Day after day, i could feel more frustration about the fact that we didn't have any wip forum in my school.

So i emailed another student, who is also a friend, and we talked about it.
We simply decided to create this forum ourselves.
By the occasion, we also had the idea to make the official website of the students of our school. So... we created it !

I think i was too pessimistic in earlier posts. It looks like the forums and the website are on their way to success !

feel free to have a look at the website and the forums (sorry: it's in french):
www.multimania.com/sitehornu

you can also use the forum to post some messages or comments, even in english.
(For example, if you are seaching for a school in infographics and you want more info about this one)

Sorry, but the website is ugly: no graphic interface we are working on this. Everything was created 4 days ago.

Thank you very much: i wouldn't have the idea to make the site and forums without this topic !