[Al Ian]

OK, I drew this in 2001, I am now painting it in 2003

Lara Croft Style WIP v0.1
I am very happy with the eyes, semi happy with the hair. Completley unhappy with the lips. The black line just dosent work, but when I take it away it looks even wierder. Suggestions!
http://www.deviantart.com/view/1345110


As you can tell, its still very early rendition. However, any and ALL suggestions will be heard, and probably tried.

So as always, BE BRUTAL with the C&C!!!
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[Awetopsy]

personally I would have spent time perfecting the line art as much as possible before starting color... but thats just me.

few things I noticed:

-the eyes are not far enough apart. the distance between the eyes should be one eye length.

-the ears are too high, the highest connecting part of the ear is at the same horizontal plane as the eyes. the bottom of the ear is at the same plane as teh tip of the nose.

-the tip of the nose is usually half way between the eyes and the chin.

-each corner of the mouth should line up under the pupil.... (roughly)

-the mouth is too slanted. Try doing that with your mouth. Its pretty hard.

-shes got some thick thighs. I mean thick birthin' thighs and no pelvis.

Im debating whether I should do a sketchover.

[Agrajag]

Hm, apart from looking forward to Awetopsy's sketchover...
...I'm going to say that the little finger of the hand holding the gun looks strange in that it pretty nicely lines up with the contour of her thigh. Maybe it's just me and my weird eyes, but it took me more than one look to figure out what I'm looking at.
As for the lips: Did you try putting some well-placed lines between her lips, instead of around them? It would seem more natural to me, but then again, that's just me.
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[AndyT]

There are some tutorials by Jezebel. Might help with the lips for example
http://div.dyndns.org/EK/tutorial/
And examples by Loomis ... might be down ... try again later then.
http://www.gameartworks.com/LoomisBooks/heads/lms049.jpg

For the lips I wouldn't use any outlines. It seems pasted onto the face like that. Awetopsy mentioned everything else about the mouth.

I think the eyes are too big. The eyeballs seem to be as big as tennis balls .
Maybe that's because of the Al Ian style
(I'm being brutal ... just as you said)
I don't like the green color but if you like it you shouldn't change it.

About the position of the ears ... maybe the face is pointing at the ground a little. The ears would then actually appear higher. But I guess the distance between the brows and the eyes is a little big.
And the right breast (her left) is strange too.

The legs seem fat somehow.
I want to know what Awetopsy means exactly ... I'd like to see a sketchover.

The right hand is really weird. All the fingers. It confuses me.
Is that the pinky pointing to the ground btw? Well it looks strange.
Ah Agrajag mentioned it

[Al Ian]

YES... This is exactly what I was looking for

As I said before, I drew this over a year ago, however I wouldent of done any better if I had drawn it today!

I LOVE THE BRUTALITY!!! (its the only way to get better!!!!)

OK, here it goes (DEEP BREATH!)

Awetopsy - ok, thats alot to absorb. I have a hard time looking at my own art and picking out whats wrong. With my new handy dandy "Awetopsy Laundry List of Not So Quick Fix Its" to work on. I thinkk this'll look alot more like I intended. The only piece of information I'm not sure I agree with is the hips, its a personal taste/styalized thing. Ever hear that song "I like big butt's?" Well, I live by it And as you can tell, this is my first anatomy class LOL. (Never took art clas either... maybe I should see if coleges here in bum-squirt colorado have anything good!)

Agrajag - OK, finger this... err I see what you mean, I have been torn about that, not exactly sure what to do about it. The "extra" little finger is actualy the bottum of the gun, ok so I used the wrong color on my own drawing LOL. On the lips, I did give that a shot, it looked ok, the outline still pissed me off though. After I posted this I came to the conclusion THE LINES MUST GO!!! (im scared) hehe

AndyT - Hey T-Dawg!!! Good tutorials for me, thank you again! I drew this before my first attempt at an Al Ian style creature, maybe it was a "things to come" preview I didnt know of LOL. The green is a bit bright, but I love big eyes that draw attention. I'm gonna try to down size and see how it feels. "bigger is better" err... Lines, we dont need no stinking lines! And highlights/shadows, its still early, I havent begun to deepen them. However, it looks like I'm starting over first

Sum it all up! - I will use the advise and resketch this drawing. Lots and lots of good information here. I do like styalized art. Slightly exadurated, but based on the real world (The art in Lilo & Stich is like what I mean, but exadurated to far for the style I want, but you get the idea.)

I'm working on it... keep the info flowing and I will keep updating the art!!

"passes out from the lack of oxygen comming to my head after all that typing.... "
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[AndyT]

Hope this works.
Everything seems way faster again.

The face does look more 3 dimensional, even if it looks worse then yours. Maybe it'll help anyway. And the hand looks different.
The forearm in yours seemed big because of the way you painted the hand.
I tried to work on that issue.
And I painted less details. That's another thing you should try. Simplify when it looks better especially in not so important areas.
The face should get the attention I guess!? Well you decide
It's supposed to be an early stage of course.
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[Al Ian]

KAKA... I had a HD crash Lost the original... I will start reworking whats on this page. However the re-draw is gone I wont be attempting to redo the redraw again... however I learned alot and will be applying it to works in the future.
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