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Xcal
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 3:01 pm     Reply with quote
I'd welcome some comments, criticism, interpretations, etc. about this piece I finished this morning. Took about 6 hours, 100% on Photoshop (no pencil sketch).


"Silence"


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:18 pm     Reply with quote
Wow. Conceptually this is a Very strong piece. The hazy lighting, table etc. A couple little things that bother me. The trapezius muscles seem to be bulging a bit excessively..I realize you were shooting for a drooping head..you might need to drop his head a bit more.

Secondly the wrinkles on the shirt. Folds in clothing are one of the Hardest things to do from memory. Photo-reference is a must, even for the best of the best. Sit a friend down in a chair and snap some pics. Maybe raise the table up a bit as well..it seems to be a bit off the mark at the current level.
And finally....Darken this puppy up. Punch the contrast! There should be some serious contrast in the actual character.

I know this all sounds like alot, but with a few of those tweaks, this already strong piece could become serious portfolio material. Once again...bravo!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:27 pm     Reply with quote
Very very good piece...

My only problem with it is that the lighting seems wrong. With such a bright source behind him, shouldn't his face and front torso be shadowed quite heavily? Maybe it's just me...

Anyways yes, good piece. Definatly portfolio stuff.

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Xcal
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:39 pm     Reply with quote
Great comments guys.

Salty, I agree with you about his shoulder. The pic would look better with his head drooped lower. Maybe even much lower. As for the clothes, they are a bitch to try to realistically recreate indeed. I guess I just didn't feel like taking the time to really study real clothing dynamics.

As for contrast, There is a very thin layer of low-opacity white airbrush over his head and upper shoulders, to intentionally create a 'hazy' glow. I don't know, lighting isn't my strongest. I think if I painted some very faint smoke or haze, this might make more sense.

IK: the light source is coming from the viewer's point of view, very roughly at 45 degrees. I'm thinking I should've painted brick on the wall, to show that the light is shining on the prisoner and the wall behind him.

Ah well, we learn with every piece we make


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:51 pm     Reply with quote
ahh.. those good old nights at KGB underground offices ;)

torchuring is fun! especially if you add some vodka to it.. (personally i like to add some vodka to everythign i do!)

like right now.. ehh nevermind

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 6:47 pm     Reply with quote
-tonality is superb
-shape is good
-line weight is accually there? wow, first forum piece besides some of the big boyz who accually pay attention to line quailty, im impressed!
-light source should be casting shadows over his eye sockets (and u've done that...excellent) u didnt follow that lighting setup thru and thru tho:
-chin shoudl cast a shadow, like in the movie the godfather (part 1) watch it, see how brando is lit, mimick that.
-where'd his feet go? some boot highlights might give the bottom half of the illustration more balance with all the white going on at top we need something to counter bqlqnce it to get a good sense of compostional equality.

overall, this is one of the best pieces ive seen up here on this forum...nice job d00d

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 7:07 pm     Reply with quote
Initially, I was trying to go for a more 'quick paint' type look, the way some of the other artists here do it, but this is just the way the painting turned out. I was trying to concentrate mostly on setting and mood, and really didn't put enough time into other details. Not claiming this is my best work in any way It was a fun piece, and I think I will do more 'mood' studies in composition. In regards to the shoes, Pak-Rat, I see your point, but I also wanted to keep the prisoner and the table separated by contrast, so it appears that the prisoner is more isolated and surrounded by darkness.

Let me know what you think about this version. For the sake of fun, I killed the interpretive value a bit:



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 9:49 pm     Reply with quote
The addition of a background and shadows seem to solve the light source problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2000 11:05 pm     Reply with quote
yeppity... lights are all fixed now. I'm very impressed by this piece, although the contrast of the dep red with the black and white takes a bit off the very good detail of the prisoners face.

I'd love to see the finished piece...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:05 am     Reply with quote
well first impresseions, was that I thought it looked like the Priest from the film. "Xercist" (however its spelt)

Great work, nice effects, the table is a bit bear though, maybe put somthing on it, like a gun or a knife (bowl of fruit, hehe)

Impressive!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:52 am     Reply with quote
Good one!
The only thing i noticed were the wrinkles on
his shirt. It look's like he's got something stuffed under it. Maybe you could define them
less in certain areas to tone them down.
I like the face!

-Mikael

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:08 pm     Reply with quote
hey I liked this one.. It have that something in it..
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